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Taraji P. Henson is interviewed by Cori Murray and Charli Penn for Yes, Girl! where they talk about mental health, Henson's new hair care line, her longevity as an actress, and more.
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00:00Who's here, Kori Murray?
00:01Traji motherfucking Henson.
00:04Welcome back, Tietra.
00:05Welcome back.
00:06Yes, it's been a while.
00:09Yeah, we were in Jamaica.
00:10Yeah, Jamaica.
00:12That was a great backdrop, ladies.
00:13That was an epic conversation.
00:17We talked about a lot.
00:18Everything.
00:20We ran through your receipts.
00:22A lot has happened.
00:23Oh, we wanted to get to see the ring.
00:26She's pretty.
00:27She's so pretty.
00:28That is pretty.
00:31You know, that was when you first, we were like, remember Yolanda was like, Taraji's got a marriage.
00:36Right, and I was all in touch.
00:38Yeah, because I had to make sure it was forever, honey.
00:40And clearly, yes.
00:43We see you happy.
00:44Yes, we need to get married this summer.
00:45I can't wait.
00:46We all can't wait.
00:48Cannot wait.
00:48I can't wait either.
00:49He can't wait.
00:50He's like, I want my ring.
00:51Every time I put my ring on it.
00:53Like, where's my ring?
00:53Is he a Grumzilla?
00:55You know how some dudes are like.
00:56He is so not.
00:57But he wants to go to the justice of the peace.
01:00So I'm like, I need a dress.
01:02Yeah, no, you need a moment.
01:04I waited my whole lifetime for this moment.
01:05No.
01:05It's not going to be a big show.
01:06It's going to be really small.
01:08The nuptials will.
01:10But the, you know, of course, we're going to party big.
01:12The reception.
01:13Yes, yes.
01:13But I thought it was important to not make it a show.
01:17Yeah.
01:17Because at first we started off like that and they started sending me the numbers.
01:20And I was like, well, wait a minute.
01:21This is becoming.
01:23An event.
01:24An event.
01:24Yeah.
01:24And that's not whatever how I saw my wedding.
01:27Yeah.
01:27I always saw my wedding.
01:29It's sort of like my cousin.
01:30When my cousin Didi and Bobby got married and I was a bridesmaid.
01:33I'm not going to have a bridal party either.
01:35Nice and simple.
01:36It's fine.
01:36But I just remember it being in my grandmother's church.
01:40It was small in North Carolina.
01:43And it was small.
01:44It was just the family.
01:45And that's a wedding that I'll never forget.
01:47And I've been to a million weddings.
01:49Big.
01:49Labyrinth.
01:50But that is the one that sticks to me.
01:52I don't know.
01:52Maybe because it's my cousin.
01:54No, but still.
01:55It's a moment.
01:55It was just.
01:56It was beautiful.
01:57And it was.
01:59I don't know.
02:00It just felt more intimate.
02:02It was personal.
02:02It was about your love.
02:04Right.
02:04That's what it's about.
02:05I always pause when I hear about people who have to take out loans for weddings.
02:08I'm not.
02:09She must start off in that.
02:10It's like, come on.
02:11It's ridiculous.
02:12Like, why?
02:13Yeah.
02:13And who is it for?
02:14Is the wedding for you or for the people?
02:15Yeah.
02:15Exactly.
02:16You know, and I thought for me, it is very important as we take this journey into forever
02:21because I don't plan on divorcing and he doesn't either.
02:24Love it.
02:24Stop with me.
02:26Forever.
02:27No, but it's important that when you take your nuptials, who you surround yourself with?
02:33Who are the witnesses?
02:34Because that's what it's supposed to be, witnesses and people that are going to form
02:38a circle around that bond and your words and your promise to God.
02:41And if somebody wants to jump ship, you form that circle and go, no, we were witnesses.
02:45Yeah.
02:46We were witnesses and you have to work this out.
02:48Yeah.
02:48You know, so I thought that was more important than a show.
02:51I have a good friend who takes it very seriously, that part of, like, the witness part and standing
02:56up.
02:57No judgment, though.
02:58No judgment.
02:58No judgment at all.
02:59Yeah.
03:00Yeah.
03:00Because, you know, people will take it everywhere.
03:01Oh, yeah.
03:01No, no, no, no.
03:02Everywhere.
03:03That kind of stuff.
03:04Let's be real.
03:04Yeah.
03:05But no, but some people really take that really seriously.
03:07Like, no, we're here to support you and we have to be in agreement with everything.
03:12So I totally agree with that.
03:13And my dad, right before we got married, he was like, this is about you too.
03:16Yes.
03:17No one's going to think about this day after this day, but you guys.
03:20Yeah.
03:20And you're going to remember it.
03:21So it's got to be special.
03:22It's got to be so special.
03:24We can't wait to see you in this wedding dress.
03:25Yes.
03:25Oh, this leg.
03:27It's a quiet little place.
03:28I'm not even telling anybody where it is, but it's so quaint and quiet and beautiful and
03:33in nature.
03:34And it's going to be us.
03:35So that's.
03:36And maybe a hundred people.
03:38That's a good intimate group.
03:38That's good.
03:39That's good.
03:40Because my family's big.
03:42Sometimes you got to tell people, I love you, but.
03:45Yeah, no, it's not the entire family, like kids can't come or whatever, but it's like
03:49my cousins that slept on a pallet.
03:51You know what I mean?
03:51Yeah.
03:52No, yeah.
03:52My close, you know, not people that just want to see Taraji get married.
03:56No.
03:56No.
03:57No people you have a connection to or have real stories.
04:00Or understand and know this relationship.
04:02Yes.
04:03That's important.
04:03Mm-hmm.
04:04The friends and family.
04:05Yeah.
04:06Yeah.
04:06Yeah.
04:06Can't wait.
04:07So that's not the only big thing that's happened for you in 2020.
04:10What else happened?
04:11You are going to be launching a haircare line.
04:14Oh, girl.
04:15What the culture.
04:16I am so excited.
04:19So are we.
04:20I'm excited because it's something that I have been working on for a long time, since
04:26I started wearing a weave back in 1990-something.
04:31And I just could not.
04:32I'm a natural hair girl.
04:34I mean, even before when my hair was permed, I'm from D.C., we were very serious about our
04:40hair.
04:40I have a side note.
04:42Hold on.
04:42Uh-oh.
04:42She came with props.
04:43I have a prop.
04:45She for Merlin.
04:46Ew.
04:47I wanted to wear it, but I had got makeup on it.
04:50That is exactly how we say it.
04:51Real women problems.
04:52And that's how I would say it.
04:52Merlin.
04:53Merlin.
04:53She for Merlin.
04:55Because I was reading how, not to cut you off, but how you were like, if I didn't do
04:58acting, I would have been done in cosmetology.
05:00And I was telling Charlie, I said, real talk, growing up, DeForestville, PG County, that
05:04was a big deal.
05:05Like, I felt the same way.
05:06I was like, if I don't get into Hampton, I'm going to go do Suitland High School, have
05:10the cosmetology program.
05:11And I missed it by a year.
05:13See?
05:13Because you're supposed to be in cosmetology school by the ninth grade or something like
05:17that.
05:17But I missed it by a year because I was so busy trying to get in the School of Performing
05:21Arts.
05:22So when that fell flat, I panicked.
05:24I was like, ah, I got to do something.
05:26And I missed cosmetology by a year.
05:27But see, I think that was God.
05:29Because I would have been great.
05:30Oh, yeah.
05:30I could see that.
05:31I got a $20 roll of sets in college.
05:33That was my McDonald's money.
05:36That's like a price.
05:37No problem for McDonald's, but you know when you broke.
05:39Yes.
05:41And Tasha, your hair is its own moment.
05:44Your career is iconic.
05:46And your hair.
05:46Do you ever auto-search?
05:48When you search your name, you wouldn't search your name.
05:50But when you put in Taraji P. Henson, it's hair and bob right after movies and career.
05:55You know what's crazy?
05:57The bob has been, that's, I don't know.
06:00Oh, God born me to wear a bob.
06:03Because that was my style in college.
06:06And, you know, that's when we used to wear those bob wigs back then.
06:11And guys used to snatch them.
06:13You'd go to the club and they would snatch them.
06:14It was silly things.
06:15Stupid, stupid kids.
06:17Kids at clubs.
06:18But, and they would always try to snatch them.
06:21I'd be like, ah, this is my hair.
06:22Because I would wrap.
06:23I had that wrap down too.
06:25You know, we'd wrap down our hair.
06:27The wind would blow and my hair would start to wrap.
06:29To wrap.
06:30Do y'all remember that?
06:31Yes.
06:31And I would wear all kinds of colors in my hair.
06:33So I was known for my hair in college.
06:36Yes.
06:37Back then.
06:38Even in high school, I was a trendsetter.
06:40I don't know what I was thinking.
06:43But I used to do my own wet sets.
06:46And with a lot of body.
06:47Remember?
06:48And you had to make a whole thing of it.
06:50Oh, my God.
06:51And you wake up and your curls be all crunchy.
06:54Moment.
06:55Right?
06:55I, you know, the little alligator clips.
06:59I would put them in the front to make my hair stand up in the front.
07:03Oh, yes.
07:03And I would just wear them to the clubs.
07:05I would buy them in different colors.
07:06And I would wear them.
07:06And then I started seeing girls wear them.
07:08You're starting trends.
07:09Right?
07:09See?
07:10Back then.
07:10I would go over here in D.C. doing it.
07:11Okay.
07:12It was crazy.
07:13But I was special.
07:14I was different.
07:15Yeah.
07:15And everybody in the hood knew it.
07:17Mm-hmm.
07:17It was like, oh, that's right.
07:18She's different.
07:19She's extra.
07:20In the right way.
07:21Yes.
07:22I love that.
07:22So your passion with hair starts way back then.
07:24Way back.
07:25I remember in the ninth grade.
07:27So, you know, everybody used to get kitchen dues from their moms, right?
07:29Yes.
07:29My ninth grade.
07:30I think I posted, I had like a gold streak right here in it.
07:33You know, the spray?
07:34Mm-hmm.
07:35My mother cut it into my little layered bob.
07:38And prints.
07:39I fell in love with prints.
07:40Yeah.
07:40And you know, prints had that hairdo that went in like this.
07:44And I got the notion one day to go to the mall and get my hair cut.
07:49And I found this Asian woman.
07:51And she cut hair.
07:52You know, they have that great blunt hair.
07:54So you have to really be able to cut.
07:55And I fell in love with her.
07:57And that's who cut my hair all through high school.
07:59And I would try to fit like four or five different hairstyles on my hair.
08:02But let me go back.
08:03My mom, when I cut it off, she got so mad.
08:06She said, I'm not going to do your hair.
08:07If you cut your hair off, you want to be grown.
08:09You do your hair yourself.
08:10I was like, fine.
08:11So I went to Sally's.
08:13And I got the Marcel curling irons and a stove.
08:18And I was rocking.
08:19I was working Marcel's like click, click, click at 14.
08:22That's one of my proudest.
08:24I burned my eye one time.
08:24Oh, no.
08:25My proudest tribute is that I can work a Marcel.
08:27Yeah.
08:28I'm very proud of it.
08:29I prefer a Marcel.
08:29I don't care challenge because I don't even know what a Marcel is.
08:32What is that?
08:32It's the curling iron that has like the two things.
08:35Yeah.
08:35Yeah.
08:35You use that in the spring where you use the finger.
08:38Those are for the amateurs.
08:39Yes.
08:39Yeah.
08:40Stay in my lane over here.
08:41Yeah.
08:41I'm local 706.
08:45Which is why I'm so happy this hairline is coming from you.
08:47Yes.
08:48It is.
08:48Absolutely.
08:48Because clearly you know black hair.
08:49I know.
08:50And the thing about it is funny because I was very interested in making a line that everybody
08:55could use.
08:56Because you start with a base and then you branch off.
08:58Girl, I got so much more coming, honey.
08:59But because I'm listening to comments and everything in this first pass was I wanted
09:06to include everyone because you got to think about it.
09:08When I play different characters, I have worn all kinds of hair.
09:11You have.
09:11I have worn silky straight.
09:13I have worn European hair.
09:15So I know hair like, you know, so of course I'm going to cater to the curly hair girls and
09:20there's something in there for everyone.
09:22But as far as my natural hair care line, it's coming.
09:26Now, what's the thing in the picture?
09:29Because I got invited to your hair care university.
09:32So much fun.
09:33Okay.
09:33But I'm confused by this little thing you got.
09:35This little, what is it?
09:36Tri-touch, the tri-touch applicator.
09:38Okay.
09:38So what I noticed, and this is how this line was born, I found a solution to a real problem.
09:45Okay.
09:45So I, like I said, when I first started getting weaves, remember I loved my hair, but I just
09:51wanted to preserve it because I heard all of these stories about losing edges and your
09:57hair thinking out.
09:58Yes.
09:58They leave you from being in the industry.
09:59Can you pause and tell us, like, what, have you had an instance with that where you had
10:03to teach someone on set to, like, take care of your hair?
10:06To be good to it?
10:07Uh, yes.
10:10Um, with heat.
10:12Yeah.
10:13Um, I'm very meticulous about my hair.
10:16And when, you know, I'm just, I had just gotten to the place about how many years ago?
10:20I don't know.
10:21When I was able to take my team with me wherever I go.
10:24But before then, my hair was in the hands of so many people.
10:28And first of all, I'm very spiritual.
10:32Like, I'm like, I don't want people, because you write to my crane, my brain.
10:36You're like, you're my cranium.
10:38Like, I need that energy got to be right.
10:41And there's, I'm an old Southern woman too.
10:43So you got to have growing hands.
10:45So when I had all these people in my, I felt weird.
10:48What is growing hands?
10:49Growing hands is that people who take care of your hair, your hair grows.
10:54Oh.
10:55See, I need some growing hands on my head.
10:56I need growing hands, honey.
10:58You spoke to my heart when you talked about the damage with wigs and weaves.
11:01Okay.
11:01So let me get back to that.
11:02So what I found was when I would go into these installs and protective hair styles,
11:09how do I take care of my hair?
11:12And I remember I had a very embarrassing moment.
11:15The first time I wore a Brazilian curly weave, you know, a lot of people think you can just
11:18wet it and go and don't take care of your hair.
11:20Oh, yes, my hair's protected.
11:22It's going to grow.
11:23Not.
11:23You have to take care of your hair while it's in an install.
11:26And so I, I was new to the game.
11:30So I go back to the salon and she takes my weave down and there's this horrible smell coming
11:34from my head.
11:36You've smelled it before.
11:38And it's mildly because I wasn't drying my wefts.
11:41That was the first lesson.
11:42So then I was like, okay, I have very dense hair.
11:46And I was like, okay, so then now I have a problem because I can wash the weave really
11:51well and that'll be clean.
11:53But how do I penetrate the weft and the cornrow and the net?
11:57Sometimes people can put nets.
11:59How do you penetrate that and get down to your scalp?
12:02Because your scalp is totally neglected.
12:03And I know that a lot of women think that just because they have an install that their
12:08hair is protected and it's healthy.
12:11But what happens is when they take it down, it's dry, it's brittle, it may be long, but
12:15you've seen pictures when they go on internet and they pull it all out and it doesn't look
12:18healthy.
12:19And it's thin.
12:20You can see through it.
12:20Very thin because you haven't been taken care of.
12:23And it's just like when you expect to reap a harvest, how can you do that if your soil
12:29is bad?
12:30So you have to think about your hair like that.
12:32You have to think about your scalp first.
12:34You have to clean your scalp first and then get to your hair.
12:36Think about it.
12:37If you have dense hair like this and it's a scalp product that you're using or scalp
12:42formulation, by the time it gets to your root, because I turn into a chia pet when my hair
12:47gets wet.
12:48So it's harder to get to my scalp.
12:50So by the time the formulation reaches the scalp, it's done all its work on the hair.
12:54So that's where the TriTouch applicator comes in.
12:58That's brilliant.
12:59Because you can cut through the wefts.
13:01And I found that when I went totally natural and I stopped perming my hair and straightening
13:07it, and when I wash it, because my root is so thick, I still have that issue.
13:12So that's when I said, wow, this is going to be great, not only just for people who
13:16have installs, but for people who have really thick, dense hair, like the C4 curly girls.
13:21And it scratches your scalp because you know it's kind of harm the rat tooth.
13:26You know, you eat like this with the rat tooth, but what happens is the formulation is actually
13:30very thin too.
13:31So it can get through and down to your scalp and your scalp tingles and it feels refreshed.
13:36It feels like your scalp has had a peppermint patty.
13:38That's the only thing.
13:39Okay.
13:39I'd like to order a hundred of those.
13:40Yes.
13:41Because I literally have, when you said the net, I have crochets and there's a net in
13:44there right now to keep me from scratching, but it's also a barrier for moisture, all the
13:49things, everything I want to get there.
13:51Yes.
13:52I have a conditioner.
13:53I have a master cleanse, which cleanses the scalp.
13:55And then I also have a mint condition for the scalp as well.
13:58And then also, cause you know, you gotta remember when you have a weave or an install, all of
14:03that product is not going to come out.
14:04It's impossible.
14:05It's in an install.
14:06You can get most of it out.
14:08You could try, you can wash your hair for an hour.
14:10It's still going to get trapped in there, but if something's going to get trapped in
14:12there, at least it's feeding my hair.
14:14So then I cut to me coming up with this concoction and it was apparatus, child, was a whole
14:18system.
14:19And when I would travel, I would have to disassemble it because the, the, um, the container that
14:25I was using, you know, the one that they use to put to dye your roots back with the straight
14:30long, that's what I was using.
14:31Cause I needed something to help me get down in there.
14:34So once I, um, partnered with Mesa, of course, they're brilliant.
14:38They came up with the tri tongue, tri touch applicator.
14:42And I was like, I wasn't even thinking about the three.
14:43That's amazing.
14:45Life changing.
14:46Yeah.
14:46Life changing.
14:47And I just think a lot of my product is really going to be based on the tutorials I do because
14:52the products look beautiful, but where do you go?
14:55It's oftentimes you have so many products and you just don't know what to do and how to use
14:59them.
14:59But because I formulated these on myself, I can tell you exactly what to do, how to use
15:04it, when to use it, what I do for my hair, because that's what I was finding.
15:08People started taking to my hair when they started, when I would take the weaves out and
15:11show my hair, they'd be like, Oh my God, how did you do it?
15:13How did you do it?
15:14It would have been so hard for me trying to explain.
15:17So I went on vacation with a girlfriend and they were, um, had protective styles and they
15:21were complaining about their scalps itching.
15:23I said, try this.
15:24So I put it all together.
15:26Oh my God, I've never felt this.
15:27I was like, Oh, I'm on to something.
15:30I was going to say, have you ever had the entrepreneur bug or?
15:34Yeah.
15:35Okay.
15:35I remember before I booked baby boy, I took a community college class on how to make candles
15:42and I turned it into a business.
15:43It called light my fire.
15:44And I would make candles for my friends who were lucky enough to be booked on television
15:49shows.
15:50Paula J.
15:51Parker, if you out there, girl, I love you.
15:52Cause she was my first client and she customer.
15:55And she bought like $500 worth of, um, candles cause she gave them as gifts for, um, to her
16:01cast and crew and girl, I love you, honey.
16:04Do you know that paid my rent that month, that year, that month?
16:07And it was Christmas and my baby had gifts under the tree.
16:10I love that.
16:11That is so sweet.
16:14Yeah.
16:14So yes.
16:15Wait, do you still do that epic garage sale?
16:18I used to, I used to, and I used to really enjoy them, but I can't cause I, you know,
16:25you're too big.
16:25You gotta take the good, take the bad job.
16:27Do you used to do this thing where like everyone would come and she would have this epic garage
16:32sale?
16:32With her staff?
16:33With her, and I remember you talking about mannequins.
16:35I had racks, I had a, my, um, kickboxing mannequin.
16:39Well, it wasn't a kid, it was a bag, you know, the kickboxing chicken.
16:41Yeah.
16:42I turned it into a mannequin.
16:44I had mannequin heads with shades and earrings.
16:48I had price tags on everything.
16:51And yeah, I did it all myself.
16:53If you decide to, you know, DM me to rationally.
16:55No, but I can't cause people then they know where you live.
16:58Live, yeah.
16:59You know what?
16:59And I'm the type of girl where I want everybody to have fun and come and get in.
17:04That's spirit.
17:05We love, we were just talking about, we watched your, um, undercover lift.
17:10That was brilliant.
17:12It was so funny.
17:13It was so much fun.
17:14You were throwing out hints.
17:16Like I make cookies and you know, it's hard out here.
17:19You're comedic.
17:20I mean, comedy is so natural for you.
17:22We love you.
17:23You can play anyone.
17:25Do you know that is exactly what I moved out to LA for?
17:28I thought I was going to book a nice sitcom and be there for my son and have net regular
17:33banker's hours, you know, not the case.
17:37I was like, you are really funny, sir, ma'am.
17:41But that was funny to hear that you want to get back into comedy.
17:44That's what I came out here to do.
17:46And I get a stand up.
17:47Thank God for, I would love to.
17:49I would love to.
17:51But see, my stand up would be totally different.
17:53It would be more, cause I'm not a stand up comedian.
17:55You know what I mean?
17:56I can be funny, so mine would be more of, more like playing different characters, like
18:01a one woman show, something like that.
18:03Yeah.
18:04You really, and we were watching, we were like, you, it was just so naturally funny.
18:09That Southern accent was coming out, everything.
18:11I love, you'd like to have a good time.
18:13You enjoy your life.
18:14I do.
18:15It's getting harder nowadays.
18:16It's so, it's so, look at where we are.
18:19Like, you know, it doesn't help my anxiety and depression, I'll tell you that much.
18:23I mean, you know, it's a struggle.
18:24It's like you get, after a certain age, the rose colored glasses come off.
18:28And this is the thing I want to really, really discuss and tackle this, women.
18:32Like, I know we all are enamored and we're in love with how black don't crack.
18:39And we're all love the youthfulness and, and yes, I'm pushing 50 and 50 we're a bitch and
18:45all of that.
18:46Yes, that's great.
18:47But let's be real.
18:48There are things that happen to us physically and we really, we get caught up in the pretty
18:54aesthetic of it all, aesthetics of it all that we really never talk about perimenopause,
19:00menopause.
19:01And that directly affects your mental.
19:03That's mental health right there.
19:05I mean, the depression lows and you not knowing where this shit is coming from.
19:09We, we, yes, we look good, but I had to say something.
19:14I had to say something.
19:14And thank you for saying something.
19:15Thank you for doing that.
19:16I had almost panicked because when I saw Self Magazine, I remember I did my interview
19:21and I felt right about it.
19:22And then I saw they made a headline.
19:24I was like, they're going to send me out to the pastors.
19:28I'm never going to work again.
19:30Then people were in my DM like, thank you.
19:32Yeah.
19:33Thank you so much.
19:34And how the hell am I to tackle mental health and not say anything about it?
19:39Like, come on, am I a hypocrite?
19:41Yeah.
19:41I had to because I wanted to make sure I wasn't going crazy.
19:44Like, hello, out there, is anybody else going through this?
19:47You know?
19:47And what was so beautiful about you coming forward about it is because, you know, you've
19:50constantly been the, the around the way girl, the girl that we all love.
19:54The strong.
19:54Yeah.
19:54Yeah.
19:55And it was like, but in that moment you were like, no, Taraji, we, she has issues too.
20:00What?
20:00Like everyone else.
20:01So I want to personally thank you for saying that because Shivali and I have been talking
20:05like a lot of times I was listening to this other podcast and it was about a girl who
20:09literally went to a dinner party crying.
20:12She fixed her face, went into the party.
20:14And initially she was like telling everybody she was fine.
20:16But then as soon as she left, she cried and she had to realize like she was depressed
20:20and she had no one to really talk about it with.
20:22But I'm so thankful that more black women are, we are talking about it more and talking
20:27and not even like a cursory, like, oh yeah, I have my problems.
20:30I have my days.
20:31But no, like, no, we need to really delve deep into depression.
20:34And how it's affecting our lives.
20:36I mean, it's generational, babe.
20:38We have not even dealt with slavery.
20:40We are walking around still traumatized.
20:42We have 400.
20:43I got goosebumps.
20:44Don't make me cry.
20:45Because we always try to be so strong and get over things.
20:51And it's just, it's not, it's not healthy.
20:53And why should we be held to that?
20:55Yeah.
20:56We are human.
20:58And yes, Jim Crow.
21:01I mean, he looks like he's coming back.
21:02I mean, did it lead on these micro mini aggressions against us?
21:06And we have to wake up every day.
21:08I don't know a black person who can sleep soundly at night knowing loved ones are out in this world.
21:13So we're going to take that to our grave.
21:16Do you understand?
21:17Yeah.
21:17I don't think we'll ever see in her lifetime where a black mother or father can go to sleep
21:22and not worry about their kids or themselves.
21:25And rest easy.
21:26It won't happen.
21:26Oh, my God.
21:27Yeah.
21:28But we have to talk about it, Taraji.
21:30No, we must.
21:31We have to.
21:31And we got to stop.
21:33No, you can say it.
21:34No, you got to stop fucking around with these titles.
21:37And I get it.
21:38Black girl magic.
21:39I get it.
21:39But again, you have to be careful with that.
21:42Because if you say magical, see, it makes us, it makes us other.
21:47Yes.
21:47Right.
21:48So, yes, your son died last night.
21:50But look how she got over it and she's marching through it.
21:53No.
21:53She forgave.
21:54I'm tired of forgiving.
21:55No.
21:56I'm tired of forgiving.
21:57And that pain has physical effects.
21:59It has mental.
22:00Our longer mental.
22:03Forever.
22:03Yeah.
22:04Our children are affected.
22:06These children growing up watching this and this is a norm.
22:09It's interesting.
22:12It's not healthy at all.
22:13We watched the news with our daughter in the morning.
22:16And sometimes initially we were turning to channel.
22:19Mm-hmm.
22:19You know, when things were getting a little tough, they were talking about.
22:22Painful.
22:23But now we have to talk about it with her.
22:25Because I was like, you know, I need to start preparing you for what the real world is going to be like.
22:29And these babies don't have a chance.
22:31They don't have a chance at being children.
22:32And what happened to them not worrying about getting snatched up in a white van?
22:37I, I, I, sometimes I wish I could go back to when I was a kid.
22:40Mm-hmm.
22:41I could play outside.
22:42Oh, yeah.
22:43Just make sure you get home for them street lights.
22:44Street lights.
22:44Oh, yeah.
22:45And don't you be sassing Miss Parker.
22:47Yeah.
22:48Because she has the right to smack your butt.
22:50Like, you know.
22:51Yeah.
22:52It was really a village.
22:53You know, the neighborhood knew the kids.
22:55We could go.
22:55I mean, these kids don't have that luxury anymore.
22:58They don't.
22:59And then the internet believe.
22:59And we expect them to go to school and learn.
23:02I mean, we expect so much of these children.
23:03And we have totally neglected them.
23:05I got one for you.
23:06Was at school?
23:08No.
23:08Got in school with Jillian.
23:10They have to do shutdown drills.
23:12We happen to be there.
23:13For bombings and shootings.
23:15Oh, God.
23:16She got down.
23:16I was like, what is happening?
23:17They're like, she's like, mommy, it's a shutdown drill.
23:20I started crying.
23:21It freaked me out.
23:22Listen, it's getting closer and closer to home.
23:25Mm-hmm.
23:25Because this last shooting that happened in California affected a crew member on my set.
23:30His daughter was at the school.
23:32Oh, my God.
23:33He had to leave and go get her and bring her back.
23:34She's traumatized.
23:35She will never be changed.
23:39By gun violence.
23:40As a child.
23:42They don't have a chance at being children.
23:45Social media doesn't allow them to be children.
23:47I was getting ready to say this.
23:48What I see on social media, and you speak about this a lot, too.
23:52We have to be, the words that we use are so powerful, but it's the youth that are getting
23:56it the most.
23:56They are horrible.
23:57The emojis, the shade, the insults, the kill yourself.
24:00You see, we see it on Twitter and Instagram.
24:02It's heartbreaking.
24:04And they just so quick to judge and criticize.
24:06It's just like, whoa.
24:07And attack.
24:08Just, wow.
24:09This is a full human here.
24:12Like, easy.
24:13A baby.
24:14These little kids.
24:15But they're traumatized.
24:16Yeah.
24:17So we can't, how do we expect them to function properly if they don't have the tools?
24:22Hurt people hurt people.
24:24Which is why we applaud you for going right to Congress.
24:27This is not something that we just talk about over drinks or at the dinner table.
24:32This is something that it's a crisis.
24:34Oh, it's affecting us.
24:35Exactly.
24:36Our future.
24:37I mean, the numbers are so alarming at African-American children taking their lives.
24:45It's alarming.
24:46I don't ever, that should never be normal.
24:49We should never sit and feel comfortable about spewing numbers about our children and
24:53our future dying.
24:54That should never be a comfortable conversation to have.
24:58My body is getting heated as I talk about it.
25:01Five years old.
25:02You should only care about the cartoons and what cereal you eat and Christmas time and
25:07lollipops and fun.
25:10You're carrying the weight of the world on your little five-year-old shoulders.
25:15Just, I can't, whatever.
25:16And you know what, I have to, I've started doing something in my family because I have
25:19people in my family, when you start seeing these black kids getting, they'll be like,
25:23oh, they must be around white people.
25:24That must be something.
25:25And I'm like, no, people are having issues.
25:27It's regardless of color.
25:28We need to talk to our kids about how they deal with them and how to effectively talk to
25:34someone to get through it.
25:35It's not a black and white issue anymore.
25:37I've had to stop people from doing that.
25:38Or making it a cultural thing or like a black and white thing that, oh, this is something
25:44that only white people do.
25:45But it's like, no, we're doing it.
25:46It's for everyone.
25:47It is.
25:48And the thing about the white black thing, you know, the reason why we say that is because
25:54there's not enough of us represent, enough representation of us in the field of mental
26:01health.
26:01So of course, naturally, we think that's just for white people.
26:04Because every time I wanted to look for a therapist, I never saw one, you know, that's
26:10a challenge right there.
26:10That's a challenge right there.
26:12And then I'm already walking in the room with my stuff.
26:15And I'm really, now I don't feel safe talking to you because a lot of my stuff is coming
26:21from people that look like you.
26:22So I can't even, you know, but that's not to say that there aren't culturally competent
26:27therapists out there.
26:29There aren't black, right?
26:30As long as you can, if I feel comfortable and you understand my struggle and what I actually
26:34go through, if you have compassion and you get it, we can talk.
26:39You can help me.
26:41But if you have nothing culturally, you can't, you're just going to try to give me some little
26:45exercises because you read it in a book that's not helping me or try to medicate me.
26:49I'm so happy that you mentioned therapy.
26:51Another thing black people don't trust.
26:52Yeah.
26:53Medication.
26:53Because it's not always about medication though.
26:55See, that's the misconception about mental health, getting help.
26:59It's not always about a pill.
27:01Sometimes I remember, I remember when I first went public and said it, that was a relief
27:07right there because then I didn't feel alone.
27:09I saw all the demons.
27:10Me too.
27:11That right there can soothe you.
27:14That right there can, at least I know I'm not alone.
27:17That's the first step.
27:19Yes.
27:19Conversation.
27:20Mm-hmm.
27:21Talk about it.
27:21Talking about it.
27:22What kind of resources does your foundation offer?
27:26What I'm so proud of right now, because there's so much work that we have to do and it's just
27:31like, where do you start?
27:32Right now, we have on our website a resource page where you can go punching where you live
27:42and you can find therapists in your area.
27:46Which is amazing right there.
27:47People are willing to hop on the phone, do a conference call.
27:50We have a chat room where people can talk because a lot of the times it's just talking
27:54and knowing you're not alone.
27:55People suffer when they think they're the only ones.
27:57They suffer alone.
27:58They suffer in silence.
28:00The main concern for us right now is getting to the babies in school.
28:03Mm-hmm.
28:04We have peace circles for them.
28:06You see our artist.
28:08She's going around the country, Sierra.
28:09She's painting positive affirmations in bathrooms.
28:13Because when I was growing up, bathrooms where you got junk, people smoked weed, all the horrible
28:18stuff, had right in the hoodoo, all kinds of horrible stuff happened in the bathroom.
28:23So we made that a place where you can go collect yourself.
28:26Remind yourself that you're beautiful and that you're powerful.
28:29You know, write beautiful messages on the wall.
28:32Kids like to write.
28:33Well, write some nice.
28:34Yeah, be nice.
28:34You know, and peace circles where they can work things out amongst themselves.
28:38You know, you bumped me in the hallway.
28:40What was that about?
28:41Let's talk about it.
28:42Well, you know, my grandmother was sick this morning.
28:45See?
28:45It had nothing to do with you.
28:47Nothing.
28:47Wasn't personal.
28:48Remember that guy, the parent, he went to, his kid was being bullied and he went to talk
28:53to the bully and it found out the kid was, he was living in a homeless shelter.
28:57Homeless, yeah.
28:58And he took him to go get his clothes washed and then they became friends.
29:02Like he took the time to find out what was going on.
29:03Get to the root of the problem.
29:05Oh, yeah.
29:05Listen, most humans don't want to be bad.
29:07Okay.
29:08No one wakes up unless, now there's some chromosomes that are off and, you know, just can't have
29:13it, you know.
29:14But most, the majority of people, they don't want to be bad.
29:19There is a reason why.
29:21There's always a reason why.
29:22The loud girl in class.
29:24Why is she?
29:24Well, because she ain't getting attention at home.
29:26So she going to come and she going to act up.
29:28That comes from having compassion.
29:29Yeah.
29:30And not judging.
29:31And understanding that there's a reason behind everything.
29:35Yeah.
29:35You know, I do it all the time.
29:37I play these characters and people go, oh, you going to play her?
29:39Yeah.
29:40Because I'm interested in why.
29:42I'm interested in doing the backstory to find out why she's like this.
29:45I'm not going to judge her.
29:46That's not my job.
29:47I'm not an actress.
29:48My job is to make her.
29:50Somebody has to identify with her.
29:52This character didn't just fall out the sky.
29:54This is a real person.
29:55And someone's going to identify with her in her story.
29:57So it's my job to make her as real as possible.
30:00And the only way I can do that is have compassion and handle that character with compassion and
30:05go into the, oh, wow, she has some trauma.
30:09You know, and if we start handling each other that way, this place, this world would be a
30:13much better place.
30:14It would.
30:15And I love these safe spaces that you're creating in schools, online.
30:18Yeah.
30:19We have to start somewhere.
30:21But you're doing the work.
30:22Yeah, I have to.
30:24It's critical.
30:24I need, we need money.
30:26No, I'm just telling you, I'm literally, I'm really about this.
30:31I have been footing this foundation for some time with my own money.
30:36You know, I'm getting a little nervous because the show coming to an end, but God got me.
30:41He does.
30:42Yeah.
30:43He does.
30:43It's work.
30:44Yeah.
30:44I mean, and I see the responses in your comments, right?
30:47We see what people are saying to you.
30:49Yeah.
30:50It's a larger conversation.
30:51And it just makes me feel like I found my life purpose, you know, acting.
30:56And I was trying to find it through acting, you know, but then people get caught up in
31:00the celebrity of it all.
31:01And it's like, yeah, but I'm doing real work.
31:03And I hope you got that message that character was sending.
31:05You know what I mean?
31:06Absolutely.
31:06But this is real.
31:08This is straight to the chase.
31:09This is not washed up in Hollywood glamour.
31:12This is me.
31:13And this is my passion.
31:14And this is what I'm about.
31:16Okay.
31:17I love it.
31:17She mentioned Empire, though, and I know we got to talk about Empire.
31:20And we got to talk about this director.
31:22Like you.
31:24Congratulations.
31:24I love it.
31:25I can't believe it.
31:26When you said it, I was like, no, it can't be the first time.
31:29First time.
31:29I've directed theater before, but, you know, in college.
31:33Right.
31:34But I just, for one, I like sleep.
31:36And I just thought, I saw them direct.
31:39They be looking hanging back.
31:40Y'all have some real early call times.
31:42Yes.
31:42But, you know, the one thing I learned, the director doesn't show up when the actors do.
31:46Because we don't have to go through.
31:48Oh, glam.
31:49When we show up at crew call.
31:51Now, that helps.
31:51That's cute.
31:52Yeah.
31:53And, well, I think the fulfillment that I get from it is that the most joy I got out of directing was the audition process.
32:04Because I was like, I'm handpicking whoever is going to be in my episode.
32:08You know, for whatever the roles.
32:09And I just felt so good knowing that I was giving some young actor a break.
32:18Yeah.
32:18Knowing that they were going to run home and call their mother.
32:20Like, whoa, I'm real empire.
32:22Because I remember those days.
32:24And I remember the shitty auditions I had with casting directors that just didn't give nothing.
32:29They didn't make the environment safe enough for me to be uninhibited to bring these words to life.
32:36Right.
32:36And because I'm an actor, I'm very sensitive to that.
32:39I'm very sensitive to actors' times and how they're, like, scared.
32:43And I'm in the room.
32:44So, oh.
32:45You know.
32:46So, this one actor came in the room and he was, he did his read and it was, it was okay.
32:50It wasn't bad, but I could tell he was out of breath.
32:53And I knew instinctually that if I gave him another chance, he would knock it out the park.
32:59So, he stopped and I said, that was good.
33:01I said, let me ask you a question.
33:03Um, did you run to get here?
33:05Because you sound like you're, oh, oh my God.
33:07I left my resume.
33:08I said, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo.
33:09I said, slow down.
33:10I said, slow down, baby.
33:12I said, you have to realize we need you.
33:14We need to cast this today because the studio ain't going to be happy.
33:17I said, take this with you.
33:18Put it in your pocket and keep it.
33:20This is your time.
33:22Take your time.
33:23We need you.
33:25I said, no, do it again.
33:26And he knocked it out of her heart.
33:29I love that.
33:29Because I created a safe environment.
33:32Yeah.
33:32Imagine how many incredible actors have been overlooked because auditioning is a process.
33:37That's a craft in and of itself.
33:39Just auditioning.
33:41That's one thing.
33:42Auditioning is a whole nother language.
33:43Then getting and keeping the job is another one.
33:46You want to talk about anxiety?
33:48When are you teaching your master class?
33:50I am.
33:50I am.
33:51That's definitely in my future.
33:53Definitely in my future.
33:54Because I'm really sensitive about my craft because I spent a lot of money studying it.
34:03And all of a sudden, and I hope I don't offend anyone, but this is my truth.
34:10I'm offended that all of a sudden acting has become such a novelty.
34:15Do you know what I mean by that?
34:16I do.
34:18Like anybody can do it now.
34:21It's the whole craft.
34:22It's just.
34:23And I love you've always called it a craft.
34:25Always.
34:25It's a craft, baby.
34:27It is not just about I'm comfortable in my skin and I'm going to hit my bonk and make you.
34:31It's a craft.
34:32And I tell young people, I don't judge.
34:34Look, hey, get your money because it's out there to be got.
34:37But when you come to me for my advice, I'm going to tell you, I got to tell you from my experience, I studied, I trained.
34:44You think that I just woke up one day and was able to give you Katherine Johnson and turn around and give you Suge and then Cookie and then Proud Mary and you know, the list goes on.
34:53Like I went broke putting myself through college.
34:57The reason why I know how to pick a script is because I've read, I studied literature.
35:03I've read some of the most amazing literature known to man.
35:06So I know the structure of a good script.
35:08You know, not that every job script I pick is the best structurally, but I know I can do something to it, you know, to make it pop.
35:17It was a Guardian article and he says it was Adam Shankman who directed What Men Want and he said, he told you that we have a low budget.
35:27So I knew Taraji was going to be my special effect.
35:30I love Adam.
35:31But he talked about your, just your knowledge and he could say to you, be this character from this show and you like immediately got it.
35:39But that's because I studied the craft.
35:41And you're arranged, Taraji.
35:43I mean, look at your body of work.
35:45But I studied the craft.
35:46I was a hood girl that kind of came from the hood, but I was doing Shakespeare at 12.
35:52Like, you know what I mean?
35:53We do.
35:54You rip it easy.
35:55You know what I'm saying?
35:56I was doing it, you know, so it just, I know what I put into it.
36:03And I know fespians.
36:04I know I can rattle off the names.
36:06Y'all know them.
36:07And I just, you know, I don't want to piss on anybody.
36:12I'm not, this is not a dig to anyone, please.
36:15But again, this is my craft and I'm very sensitive about it.
36:19Like people like to say, call me a singer.
36:20No, I'm not.
36:22Because that too is a craft.
36:23Yeah.
36:24And yes, I can hold a tune and I can carry a note.
36:27And I did study musical theater in college, but I didn't study theory.
36:32You understand what I mean?
36:33That's when craft comes in.
36:35Yeah.
36:35I can hit a note.
36:36But I'm not going to sit down like Miss Alicia Keys and tickle them ivories.
36:40That's a craft.
36:41You get what I'm saying?
36:42And everybody can't do that.
36:44And so I don't claim that I can sing.
36:46Now, if a character comes across my lap and I got a sick baby, me, me, me, me, me, where's
36:54my vocal coach?
36:56You understand what I mean?
36:56But I'm not going to pop on the screen and I'm not going to rant and rave that I sing,
37:00I sing because that's a craft and I don't want to slap somebody in the face for all
37:06of their hard work that they did studying their craft.
37:08I didn't put that kind of work in.
37:10I can't claim that.
37:12So can we talk about your legacy?
37:14Because Corey and I were just talking about how much we admire your career and we know
37:19that you are real, authentic, unbelievably talented, incredible range, hardworking.
37:26We could go on and on.
37:28But we were curious.
37:29It's true.
37:29You know, you've earned this, Taraji.
37:31But what do you want your legacy to be?
37:33Because we, you know, when we were reading that, they said you became an international
37:37star after Empire.
37:38But you've been, you know, like to us.
37:4020 years in the game.
37:41And even longer for us.
37:42So now that the world sees you, what is it that you hope they see?
37:46That I'm a people person and I'm definitely for the people.
37:49That everything I do is not for myself.
37:52It's for how to uplift or leave a legacy behind that will inspire those coming behind me.
37:59Because that's, that's how I'm here.
38:01I had a plethora of people that I looked up to.
38:03We still talk about their work.
38:05They're not here anymore.
38:06I was interested in doing that kind of work.
38:08And I was very clear on it the moment I decided to take acting seriously.
38:12When I got to L.A., I had a, I had my Come to Jesus meeting and I said, I want longevity.
38:18And I want work.
38:20And I want to do characters and work that people will talk about long after I'm gone.
38:24Children will study my work long after I'm gone.
38:28So I was very clear on that.
38:29And look at what you've done.
38:31How are you saying goodbye to Cookie, though?
38:32Oh, good question.
38:34Cookie's been such a blessing.
38:36I don't know yet.
38:37I really don't know.
38:40I know people are not ready to say goodbye to her.
38:42No.
38:44Yeah.
38:45All right.
38:45But that's one of those characters that will live on.
38:48Oh, yeah.
38:48She's a, she's now a character.
38:50She's iconic.
38:51What else can you do with Cookie, really?
38:52People be dressing up as Cookie for Halloween forever.
38:54Still.
38:55Right?
38:55Forever.
38:55Forever.
38:56Forever.
38:57And I mean, like, I still watch Martin.
38:59I'm never going to stop watching.
39:00When you come to my house, you can always tell who had the television.
39:04If it's on BET, that's me.
39:05Because I'm always watching BET.
39:08Even if I'm not watching it, it's on.
39:10It's on.
39:10Yeah.
39:12And if it's sports, my fiance.
39:15Yes.
39:16Well, we were reading that you would love it if Jesse could come back for one of the final
39:20episodes.
39:21How is he?
39:21We know you guys are great friends.
39:23He's great.
39:23He's great.
39:24He's a friend to the show as well.
39:26He's resilient.
39:26He loves Jesse.
39:27He's a resilient spirit.
39:29And I just don't understand how we end this show.
39:34Yeah.
39:34Because he's so beloved.
39:35You know, he was Cookie's favorite baby.
39:37No, you're not supposed to have favorites.
39:39But it's true.
39:40It's true.
39:41You know, they had a special connection.
39:44And he had a special connection with the show.
39:48And that show would be, we wouldn't be as successful without him or his storyline.
39:54Yeah.
39:54That storyline did a lot for us in the black community.
39:58And it was very important.
39:59And it is very important.
40:00I think his storyline, his character is very important and meaningful to the show.
40:04And I just don't understand how we ended without him.
40:07Yeah.
40:07I just really don't.
40:09I didn't realize the impact of his storyline.
40:11We did a roundup of like the, I think it was the 13 best like LGBT moments of the decade.
40:17And his was one of them.
40:19And I was like, oh, wow.
40:20That really, it was an impact.
40:23You know, you kind of forget because now everyone's talking about it.
40:27But that was a first.
40:29All right.
40:30So Empire's Ending.
40:31We were bold on that show.
40:32Oh, yeah.
40:33Oh, y'all were.
40:33Hell, yeah.
40:34We did not shy away from mental illness either.
40:38No.
40:38Yes.
40:38And what was so brilliant is that we had the gay son, bipolar, and the millennial.
40:47Because, y'all, that's a head case right there.
40:48Okay.
40:50Lord.
40:51I'm not looking forward to it.
40:52I don't even know what the next one's called.
40:54Which one?
40:55What is it?
40:56Generation Z?
40:56I don't know.
40:57I think it's called Generation Z.
40:58I'm scared.
40:59Yeah.
41:00They not going to care about us and our social security.
41:02You know why?
41:02Because we didn't care about them.
41:04Y'all going to remember me, though.
41:05I did a lot for the babies.
41:07I'm not going to try to save y'all from school and stuff.
41:10So, hell, you know, look and remember me.
41:12All right?
41:14I know.
41:14I'm trying to bring back teen summits.
41:17And every.
41:17Oh, teen summits.
41:18Well, hold up.
41:19Not even just on television, but in each state.
41:22Okay.
41:23We have black expos.
41:24We have women expos.
41:26We have all these expos.
41:26Circle of Sisters.
41:28We're entrepreneurs.
41:29Can we connect?
41:30And you know these kids are making more money than we are, right?
41:34Yeah.
41:34Where is their platform?
41:35To talk about their feelings.
41:36I brought that up at Congress, too.
41:38I said we need to pay more attention to our children.
41:42Yeah.
41:42We must.
41:43Absolutely.
41:43Because they're going to take care of us.
41:45Bridge them.
41:46Bridge the conversation.
41:47We must.
41:47We must.
41:48Because we're neglecting them.
41:50Taraji, you are so much fun.
41:51But wait.
41:51I have one more question.
41:52Yes, yes.
41:53One more question.
41:53Okay.
41:53Yes, yes, yes.
41:54So, 2020 is food.
41:56Yes.
41:56I know.
41:57I know.
41:582020 is here.
41:59Yes.
42:00You're saying goodbye to Empire.
42:01Yes.
42:01Getting married.
42:02You touched on you're going to have a really beautiful birthday later in the year.
42:06I did, didn't I?
42:07What did I say?
42:07A yacht.
42:08I mean, you're just saying like.
42:09Oh, yes.
42:09You know, you're turning.
42:10We're also turning 50.
42:12Hey, look at us.
42:13We look good.
42:14All those things are going on.
42:15Yes.
42:16I'm with it.
42:17I'm with it.
42:17She's a great guest.
42:19I'm with you.
42:20So, the question is, how do you see this?
42:23How do you feel about going into 2020?
42:25Like, what is, what do you, what is this new moment, new chapter?
42:29How do you want to see this year for you?
42:30How do you see the year playing out for you?
42:34Oh.
42:37Would you manifest?
42:39Do you do intentions?
42:40Yeah.
42:40Like January, you know, people were on Instagram.
42:42I'm claiming.
42:43You know, I don't, I do that all year round.
42:46So, I don't make it about a moment because I'm trying to better myself 365 days of the year.
42:52So, I just feel like a hypocrite if I go.
42:55And I'm not judging anyone.
42:56Please, this is no judgment, y'all.
42:57I'm talking about me.
42:59I just don't like to, like, make it an isolated moment.
43:02Because then it's like, you're going to forget two weeks from now.
43:05Like, are you continuing that work all year?
43:07So, I'm just always trying to be my better self.
43:10I'm always trying to grow and learn more about myself.
43:12I need to work on my patience.
43:16Everyone needs to work on their compassion.
43:19You know, there are days when I'm better at it and there are days when I've been through stuff and I don't care.
43:23You know, I need to work on that.
43:25I just want to continue to work on me and be the best version of myself that I can be before I leave this earth.
43:32To me, I'm taking an edge.
43:33We have to live in a moment because we set ourselves up to be like, oh, I want to do this by this and this by this.
43:37It's like, no, let's just live in a moment.
43:39Because things don't work out the way you foresee them.
43:42And God has other plans.
43:43And so, you just got to be present and in the moment.
43:45Yeah.
43:46You know.
43:47Just strive for greatness.
43:48Set your goals.
43:49But, you know, be open.
43:51Yeah.
43:52And you exude so much gratitude to Rashi.
43:54I'm so grateful.
43:55You can tell.
43:56I'm just grateful.
43:57You know.
43:57I am very grateful.
43:58You've worked hard and you've enjoyed everything that's come to you also.
44:01Yes.
44:01And appreciate it, Rashi.
44:02And I don't take it for granted.
44:03We can tell.
44:04Yeah.
44:04That sounds like a good 2020 happy early birthday, Virgo.
44:08Yes, Virgo.
44:09You know I get into this Virgo thing.
44:11I'm a 19.
44:11I'm trying to have a yacht, honey.
44:13Miss Gabrielle, you'll hear me, honey.
44:15And that thing.
44:16The way, way.
44:16They be.
44:17I'm just like, I need to be them.
44:19And Magic and Cookie.
44:20I'm joking.
44:21I don't ever want to be another couple.
44:22But you know what I'm saying.
44:23No, but I know you're a young.
44:24Did you see Magic and Cookie?
44:25With Ella.
44:25And I was going to say, and Magic and Cookie.
44:27I'm like, yes, baby.
44:28It's a yacht.
44:29Yes.
44:30That's what we do on the yacht.
44:31You know what?
44:32Yacht Watch.
44:33Yes, Yacht Watch.
44:33Yacht Watch.
44:35Let's claim it, sis.
44:37Claim it.
44:38It's your birthday.
44:39I'm doing it.
44:40I'm doing it.
44:42She's like, no, it's no.
44:43It's like, it's sad.
44:43I'm doing it.
44:45You will have to fight my cousins.
44:47Now, you know I got 50,000.
44:48Look.
44:49Well, I will babysit K-Bob.
44:51We will have to fight his Auntie Mandy.
44:53See?
44:53I tried.
44:54Oh, that's right.
44:54Because you already said he don't like boats.
44:56I know.
44:56Oh, right?
44:57He doesn't like boats.
44:58Unless he has an air-conditioned cabin.
45:01Y'all do all that for K-Bob.
45:02He's so bougie.
45:03We're going to let you eat, Taraji.
45:04We appreciate you.
45:06This is always fun.
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