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On this Special Report, anchor Preeti Choudhury examines the fresh controversy at Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) following provocative slogans raised against Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The protests erupted after the Supreme Court denied bail to Umar Khalid and Sharjeel Imam, coinciding with the sixth anniversary of the 2020 campus violence. The JNU administration has lodged a police complaint against JNUSU President Aditi Mishra and Vice President Gopika Babu, describing the chants as 'highly objectionable, provocative and inflammatory'. While the BJP has branded the protesters as 'urban naxals', the student body maintains that the event was a peaceful vigil and an expression of their 'constitutional right to dissent'. The programme features a heated debate between ABVP's Vaibhav Meena, CPI's Vivek Srivastava, and analysts Sanjay Jha and Rajat Sethi on whether the slogans represent legitimate ideological disagreement or something more sinister. The report highlights the deepening ideological divide within one of India's premier educational institutions.
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00:00From campus to controversy.
00:14JNU slogans spark political storm.
00:17B.J.P. Brands, Protesters, Urban Naxals.
00:30Students claim ideological fight.
00:40Congress lends support.
00:46Campus protest, national debate.
01:06Welcome, you're watching To The Point. I'm Preeti Chaudhary.
01:09Well, JNU is back in focus and what is also back is the debate.
01:13Is JNU a laboratory for anti-India activities with what many seem to suggest, especially those who live a little right?
01:23While there is what the students say and even where certain opposition political parties say that this is just all the ideological differences.
01:33If slogans were raised which were clearly against the Prime Minister of this country and the Home Minister, it wasn't meant literally but an ideological fashion.
01:44Let's take that debate on To The Point this evening.
01:47Alright, JNU is back in the spotlight this time around once again for raising slogans which some would suggest were not just inappropriate but many would also call it anti-India where slogans against the Prime Minister of the country were raised.
02:04To give you context, this was a protest which took place at the back of Umar Khalid not getting bailed by the top court of the country, also marking the anniversary of the violence that had taken place in JNU in 2020.
02:18Slogans that were raised seem to echo Modi teri kabar khudegi in JNU.
02:25Now at one end you have had the BJP and many from the right wing calling the students in JNU urban naxals in anti-India.
02:35The students and many would suggest this is just an ideological fight.
02:39They didn't quite literally mean it but controversy nevertheless.
02:43JNU is once again at the centre of a political storm.
03:09Just hours after the Supreme Court denied bail to Umar Khalid and Sharjeeel Imam, purported videos surfaced from the Jawaharlal Nehru University campus.
03:28These clips allegedly show students raising controversial slogans against Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Home Minister Amit Shah.
03:37The protest was organised to oppose the Supreme Court's refusal to grant bail to Umar Khalid and Sharjeeel Imam while also commemorating six years since the 2020 campus attack.
03:52Here when these slogans were raised was now objected by the ABBP and other organisations.
04:06In fact, whether the complaint that we filed, the police action, that is yet to be known.
04:11But the university campus yet again becomes the controversy campus when these slogans, objectionable slogans were raised by the left wing students while they were protesting.
04:21What began as sloganeering on campus soon escalated into a full-blown political flashpoint.
04:28The JNA administration filed a complaint at the Vasant Kujh police station, naming JNE Students Union President Aditi Mashra, Vice President Gopika Babu and several other students.
04:40Taking cognizance of the widely circulated videos, the JNA administration said that slogans raised were highly objectionable, provocative and inflammatory.
04:49The BJP quickly ceased on the episode, branding the protesters as urban naxils and reiterating its claim that extremism can exist even among so-called intellectuals, including doctors and engineers.
05:02The students who were not afraid are faced with the influence of the Kujhara and the police…
05:09In the sense of history, they are given the courage of the drug for the fact that the people were given theirES.
05:12The people have responded to the truth.
05:14The people have taken theirseed.
05:17I think that the people of the Muslim community have become uncertainly in this manner of uranium……
05:21They are不了 the truth of the human cause of the livestock and theiraters.
05:26This is the�� observation.
05:27The gang has become a camp office, a castle itself in this manner.
05:31The left-back students groups, whose leaders have been named in the complaint, have defended
05:52the protest, insisting that it was an expression of dissent.
05:57This is the right-back students, who are the Prime Minister, who have been killed in 2002.
06:12Who can touch them?
06:14But we have the whole hope and conviction that the fascist ideology is represented in this country.
06:26The Congress has come out in support of the students, while the CPM struck a more cautious
06:31note, urging restraint in the choice of slogans.
06:33This way of slogans are unnecessary to create trouble.
06:40I think they should be careful in raising slogans when their government attitude against democracy
06:47is so stiff.
06:49This is not the first time JNU has found itself in the national spotlight.
07:02From the 2016 sedition row, to repeated clashes over ideology and dissent, the campus has
07:20long remained a lightning rod for controversy.
07:27As the investigations begin and political lines harden, yet another campus protest has
07:42spilled into a national debate.
07:47Once again, pushing JNU to the centre of India's ideological battleground.
07:51Bureau Report, India Today.
08:04All right.
08:05There's breaking news coming at the back of that.
08:07The JNU-SU has spoken out over the Kabar Khudegi chance, suggesting Delibrut's effort to
08:14mischaracterise a vigil, bid to deflect from real issues, organised attempt to defame JNU.
08:22We have a constitutional right to dissent.
08:25So, once again, the university is where not the management but the student's body has said that this is a clear attempt to misrepresent
08:36what the students in JNU actually did, which was protest.
08:40It was a vigil and there is a deliberate effort to mischaracterise what was sheer protest.
08:48They say that this is an organised attempt to defame JNU.
08:52Once again, the student body also says we have a constitutional right to dissent.
08:57Shreya Chatterjee is breaking this news on India Today.
09:00Shreya, what more can you add?
09:02Well, Preeti, this is a statement that's officially now coming from JNU-SU.
09:10And we've been speaking to them since precedent.
09:12They very categorically say that yesterday's event was a vigil.
09:16It was to commemorate the anniversary of the attack that took place in JNU in 2020 on the 5th of January.
09:23And because the Supreme Court judgment had also come in against Omar Khalid and Shahjil Imam, so that was also discussed.
09:29So clearly, in that very emotion, there were sloganeerings that did happen, which they did not really deflect from.
09:37That was agreed by all the members of the Student Union.
09:40But they say that this sloganeering cannot be looked at independently.
09:45It is about how they wanted to condemn an ideology.
09:48And they say that it's only a portion of...
09:55Shreya, one quick question before we let you go.
09:58Is there regret that maybe certain slogans which involve the Prime Minister should not have been raised?
10:05Shreya, can you hear us?
10:09Shreya, can you hear us?
10:13We don't seem to have Shreya. Shreya, are you back with us?
10:17Okay, we're going to try and reconnect with my colleague Shreya Chatterjee, who's breaking news.
10:23The student body has come out with an official statement saying that this is an attempt to completely turn the picture,
10:32a deliberate bid to mischaracterise what was pure ideological dissent into something far more sinister.
10:40And though chants were raised, they are not deflecting from that.
10:44But they said that they were merely raised as a protest sign and a sign of dissent, which is their constitutional right.
10:52And there is now a propaganda to malign the JNU students for indulging in something which the students had absolutely no idea about,
11:04or something that they wanted to portray.
11:08So they are saying whatever has happened yesterday has been mischaracterised, misrepresented and this wasn't the intention.
11:17It was purely a protest vigil and it is their right to register dissent.
11:22Alright, I want to cut across right now to our panelists this evening and the moot question that we ask.
11:28Pure ideological dissent is what at least the student body of JNU seems to suggest, but the management has lodged an FIR.
11:36The management where the VC of JNU is concerned, they want action to be taken off late.
11:43We have also seen a tug of war between the students leaning towards the left and the JNU management, especially the VC.
11:52And okay, let's get down to the question that we moot in this debate on to the point,
11:57ideological dissent or something far more sinister.
12:00Joining me, Sanjay Jha, political analyst.
12:02Vajjat Sethi, political analyst.
12:04Vaibhav Meena, who is a member of ABVP, former joint secretary.
12:09JNUSU from the year 24 to 25.
12:12And Vivek Srivastava, who is a CPI leader.
12:15To begin with Vaibhav Meena, all of you will get two minutes to put your point forward.
12:22What do you reckon?
12:23Because the JNUSU, the student body has come out with a statement, clarify.
12:27They've been misrepresented.
12:29They didn't mean to say anything which was derogatory.
12:33Yes, slogans were raised.
12:35But they have been mischaracterized.
12:38It was their right to dissent.
12:39And they were raised in that manner.
12:47Vaibhav Meena, it's the questions for you.
12:48You have two minutes.
12:50Sorry.
12:52I'm sorry.
12:53I'm sorry.
12:54But I'm sorry.
12:55This is the first time.
12:56It is the first time.
12:57It's been a total effort.
12:58When the Supreme Court heard that the Supreme Court,
13:01the JNUSU was sent to them to them,
13:02they didn't think that they were the JNUSU.
13:04You're a slave.
13:05When the JNUSU is a victim of the JNUSU,
13:06the JNUSU is a victim.
13:07When the JNUSU was armed and the JNUSU,
13:08they were killed in Kashmir,
13:09they were killed in Kashmir.
13:10They were killed in Kashmir.
13:11They were made the JNUSU.
13:12Thank you very much.
13:42Thank you very much.
14:12foreign
14:42foreign
15:12from all of that
15:14but to raise
15:15slogans
15:15like
15:16Modi
15:17Theri
15:17Kabar
15:18Khudegi
15:18you might say
15:20that this is just
15:21an ideological way
15:22of expressing
15:23dissent
15:24but
15:24Mr. Srivastava
15:25many would say
15:26to actually suggest
15:28that the prime minister's
15:29grave would be dug
15:30in JNU
15:30is anti-India
15:31right
15:33see I'm speaking
15:33as a communist
15:34not officially
15:35as a CPI
15:36spokesperson
15:37and the line
15:37is yet to come
15:38so
15:39see it's very clear
15:40this country
15:41has got
15:42a very vibrant
15:42democracy
15:43burning effigies
15:44putle jalana
15:45and this sort
15:46of slogan
15:46not only
15:47us
15:48the ABVP
15:49the BJP
15:50I mean
15:50every party
15:51has done it
15:52I mean
15:52if I question
15:53the BJP people
15:54you have
15:55how many prime ministers
15:56how many chief ministers
15:57how many opposition parties
15:59have putle
16:00and such slogans
16:01have put in
16:02how many
16:02they've done it
16:03Sayyad Ali Shah
16:04Jalani
16:04came from Kashmir
16:06at the invitation
16:07of the central government
16:08at that time
16:09to speak in Delhi University
16:10he was attacked
16:11the whole ABVP
16:12has done it
16:12but then
16:14there are students
16:15and you have to
16:16take that in perspective
16:17I do not support
16:18ever
16:19any
16:20even ABVP
16:21students
16:21being victimized
16:23out of
16:23the turn
16:24more
16:26than
16:27the
16:28people
16:29who
16:30are
16:30the
16:30people
16:31who
16:31are
16:32the
16:33people
16:33who
16:33are
16:34the
16:34people
16:34who
16:35are
16:35there's a problem
16:36we're going to freeze
16:37your counter
16:38we're going to come back to you
16:39there's a problem with your link
16:40we're going to try and rectify that
16:42Rajat Sethi
16:43these are students
16:44you know
16:45it needs to be taken
16:46with a pinch of salt
16:47it's an ideological descent
16:49this was a vigil
16:50which has deliberately
16:51been mischaracterized
16:53to malign
16:53JNU
16:54once again
16:55is the defense
16:56what do you say to this
17:01Preeti ji
17:01I mean it just shows
17:03on one side
17:03it shows total
17:04bankruptcy of
17:06political vocabulary
17:07intellectual bankruptcy
17:08that they cannot even
17:09come up with a fair slogan
17:11which they themselves
17:11can defend a day later
17:12when the state's gaze
17:14sharpens on them
17:15they start having
17:16bowel movements
17:17you know
17:17today what we are seeing
17:19is that sorry display
17:20that they couldn't even
17:21stand with what they said
17:22a night before
17:22so I don't take
17:24these people seriously
17:25but I believe
17:26the JNU administration
17:27should actually set an example
17:28you know
17:29while students
17:30and young brains
17:32around the world
17:33in various universities
17:34are striving hard
17:35to make the country
17:36strong and powerful
17:37these loonies
17:38out there
17:39needs to be identified
17:40and kicked out
17:41of the university campus
17:42once and for all
17:43set a tight example
17:44strict example
17:45for others to follow
17:47and ensure
17:47that no such
17:48frivolous statements
17:49are made
17:50which they very well know
17:51it was a decision
17:52made by the supreme court
17:53do they have the gods
17:54to come out
17:55and say
17:55that supreme court
17:57chief justice
17:58Surya Khan
17:59teri kabat khudegi
18:00bolke dikhaen
18:00see the aukat
18:02there is a beautiful
18:03word in Kanpur
18:04called aukat
18:04their aukat
18:06doesn't span
18:06beyond one square
18:08kilometer
18:08in and around JNU
18:09okay that is
18:10their existence
18:11the moment
18:12they leave that campus
18:13also their safe haven
18:14or the laboratory
18:15of terrorism
18:16the moment
18:17they step out
18:17they are unemployable
18:18they are not
18:19worthy of getting
18:19a security guard job
18:21also
18:21and in spite of that
18:22they want to step in
18:23and do all of this
18:24and tomorrow
18:25blame the government
18:26that okay
18:26you know
18:27while I was doing
18:28all of this
18:28I didn't end up
18:28getting a job
18:29and the government
18:29is responsible
18:30for not giving us
18:31a job
18:31that is their level
18:32so such people
18:34you try doing this
18:34in the US
18:35there were a lot
18:36of universities
18:36Columbia and Harvard
18:37which tried
18:38attempting to do this
18:39where are they right now
18:41where are those loonie
18:42left in these campuses
18:43they have been showing
18:44the place
18:44and I believe
18:45the state
18:45I'll come to you sir
18:48allow him to speak
18:49and I just get Rajat
18:50to finish his statement
18:51make your point Rajat
18:52the state should for once
18:53show a sharp gaze
18:54onto these people
18:55identify these people
18:57investigate them
18:58remove them
18:59throw them out of the campus
19:00and you see
19:00everything will fall in place
19:02alright I'll come back to you
19:03your two minutes are over
19:04Vivek Srivastav
19:05we froze your counter
19:06you have one minute
19:07to put your point forward
19:08make it
19:08you see the entire commentary
19:12given by Rajat Sethi
19:13was nothing but hatred
19:14for a political party
19:15recognized by the election
19:16commission of India
19:17the entire left
19:18stands for elections
19:1935 years in Bengal
19:21listen to me
19:2210 years
19:22Manipur
19:232 decades
19:24Tripura
19:24Kerala
19:26are we breaking the nation
19:27what nonsense is going on
19:29just because we are
19:30your political opponents
19:31and our student wing
19:32we are about to announce
19:33the race
19:34we are anti-national
19:34you have 70
19:35years
19:37Sir, there's a huge problem with your network.
19:48We've lost you again.
19:48Please fix it before we come back to you.
19:50I want to cut across to Sanjay Jha.
19:52Sanjay Jha, we'll give you your two minutes right now.
19:54The fact is, the students have every right to protest.
19:58The students have every right to criticize the judgment of the Supreme Court without even inviting contempt.
20:03But there is that fine red line.
20:05When you raise slogans which speak of the Prime Minister's grave being dug in JNU, many would call it anti-India.
20:16Preeti, good evening.
20:17Let me start my two minutes right away.
20:20Firstly, I strongly condemn any use of language which has any violent manifestation.
20:27Whether it comes from the left or the right, I don't approve of it at all.
20:30There are better ways by which you can make your point, you can be aggressive, without indulging in kind of wordplay that can boomerang against you.
20:40Having said that, let's be honest.
20:42I heard Rajat.
20:43Rajat's acerbic, very bitter vehemence was for all to see.
20:48This is the problem with people from the right wing.
20:50They have such an ideological animus against anything which is on the liberal, secular, or the left side, that you're always bracketed as a libtard, as a secular, and they mock you.
21:02This is the problem.
21:04Narendra Modi himself as a Prime Minister calls every dissenter as an urban naxer.
21:09These are like terms that have gained political currency since 2014.
21:14I know there was a movie made, Preeti, I don't know whether you are aware of it, which was called Jehangir National University.
21:21What were they trying to convey, right?
21:23That this is not just leftists, but this has got a major Muslim domination.
21:28So, end of day, we are living in a world where the universities and intellectuals are being targeted by this government left, right, and center.
21:37We all know that.
21:38I mean, Rajat actually quoted how universities are being attacked by Trump and called them left loonies.
21:44So, it is an ideological battle.
21:47There is no denying that.
21:48And you know why?
21:49Yesterday was probably a coincidence that the students would be agitated where you have a government today, where Kapil Mishra and Parvesh Verma and Anurag Thakur make provocative speeches.
22:02Nothing happens to them.
22:04Tukre Tukre Gang.
22:05I mean, these are war.
22:06These are nothing but fictitious allegations against people who are fighting for their democratic rights.
22:11They are bracketed as anti-national.
22:12So, what you are seeing is protest.
22:14They should use more appropriate language.
22:16That's all.
22:17Okay.
22:18Use more appropriate language.
22:19It is protest.
22:20These are students.
22:21And one needs to look at it from that lens is what Sanjay Jha is saying.
22:24I want to cut across back to our panelists.
22:27We have, I believe we do have our, we have Vivek Srivastav back with us.
22:32But before I do that, all of you will get your two minutes time each again.
22:35Weibhav Meena, you start with us.
22:37Weibhav Meena, now the student union has said that they are misrepresented, mischaracterized, mischaracterized,
22:45a vigil, protest.
22:47Weibhav Meena.
23:17Every day there will be a rally, every day there will be a rally.
23:20It's not that there is no protest in the first time.
23:22If there is no protest, there will be a national god,
23:26then there will be something that will happen.
23:30We have a situation in the end of the day.
23:32Every day we keep our conversation and protest every day.
23:36But we don't think of anti-national activities.
23:40We don't think of it for anyone.
23:42Three days ago, in Kerala, in 2012, there was one week of Vishal.
23:47There were 12 people who left the court.
23:50Today, eight years later.
23:52We have protested in the Virod.
23:54But we don't think of it as the name of Mordavad.
23:56We don't think of it as the name of Mordavad.
23:59This is a way of the Virod.
24:00There are political killings in Bengal.
24:02We are doing it as the Virod.
24:04But we don't think of it as the name of Mordavad.
24:08In 2020, there were videos in Peria, in Aishii Ghosh,
24:12and the president of the JNVSW.
24:15There were videos in the ABVP.
24:17The ABVP was also a leader of the ABVP.
24:22There were videos.
24:23Komal was a leader of the ABVP.
24:27They were a leader of the ABVP.
24:28Today we don't know where Komal is.
24:30Today we don't know where to be.
24:32There was a rod in his hands.
24:34Aishii Ghosh, JNVSW president, sitting JNVSW president,
24:37in Peria, in the hostel.
24:38There were more people in the room.
24:40Now, you can see it a month ago.
24:42What happened to the JNVSW.
24:43In the school of social sciences,
24:45the way the JNVSW has supported the JNVSW,
24:48the way the girls and the students have beaten the road.
24:50They have the influence of their influence.
24:52Where do they have the influence of their influence?
24:53Where do they have the influence of their influence?
24:55In the whole world, in every country, in every state.
24:58They have the influence of their influence of the JNVSW.
25:03This is the most important thing.
25:05Vaibhav Ji, your time is over.
25:07You have two minutes.
25:08Our counter was a little further.
25:09But I want to cut across right now to Vivek Srivastav.
25:14Hopefully, we have him back.
25:15Vivek Srivastav, your two minutes starts now.
25:17Hopefully, we'll have you.
25:19Go ahead.
25:21Yeah, it's very clear.
25:24Nobody is trying to understand the emotions of the students.
25:27Please understand the sentiment.
25:33In this country, there is a Ram Rahim.
25:36They have received a life sentence.
25:37They are running on the 15th of bail and parole.
25:39The other, Kuldeep Senger, he is leaving now.
25:42I will produce them.
25:43Because they are Sahab people.
25:44And look at the kind of bail that they are getting.
25:46So people feel what's wrong.
25:48If you feel that this gentleman called Mr. Omar Khalid is guilty,
25:52Sharjil Imam is guilty, why it's an open and shut case?
25:55Why have you not done the investigation and closed the case?
25:59The Prime Minister and the whole Minister...
25:59So they are going to hold your timer.
26:00Allow me to ask you a counter.
26:02We'll hold your timer.
26:03It's not about...
26:04Nobody is questioning why the protests took place.
26:08The students have every right, like I said, to protest,
26:11to criticize the judgment, which did not give bail to Omar Khalid,
26:16as well as Sharjil Imam.
26:17The question is on the kind of language and slogans that were raised,
26:22especially which involve the Prime Minister of this country.
26:26Can we just let it pass and saying,
26:28OK, this is an expression of dissent?
26:30That is the question.
26:32It has...
26:33I'll just take a little while.
26:35Number one, it is not a protest against judiciary or the judges or the court.
26:39It is a protest against the Home Minister,
26:41because the Delhi Police, the investigating authorities report to him...
26:47Sir, there's a problem.
26:53We'll hold your timer.
26:54We'll come back to you.
26:54I think you have a really bad network and it's not supporting you right now.
26:59But OK, because I'm running short of time,
27:01I'm going to cut across to Rajat Sethi and I'll give you that one minute later.
27:04Rajat Sethi, two minutes time, sir.
27:06Go ahead.
27:07Well, Priti ji, if Sanjay ji wants to mollycoddle these people
27:14or breastfeed these future criminals or terrorists,
27:17by all means do that.
27:19I have deep hatred for people like these.
27:22They are unfit to live, can coexist in a civil society.
27:26Civil societies operate and function,
27:29nations operate and function through these social contracts.
27:32If they do not want to respect the institutions
27:35which are fundamental to nation building,
27:38then by all means they should be given a taste of the wrath of the state for once.
27:44You know, once they will get that taste, that bitter medicine,
27:48the rest of their lives, they'll all be sorted.
27:50And I believe, an example, it's high time.
27:53For the past 10 years or so, we've been seeing this.
27:56They have zero public support, zero credibility, zero employability,
28:00and yet they exist, and like parasites, they leech onto taxpayers' money,
28:04while sitting onto these campuses for God knows how many years trying to finish their PhD.
28:08Enough of it.
28:09Something has to be done in order that these things cannot be repeated.
28:13And I believe that the education system of this country is not under threat.
28:16There are thousands of universities who are perfectly creating future citizens,
28:21responsible citizens of this country and doing an excellent job at that.
28:26And I believe we should focus our attention and our efforts and our funding towards those universities
28:30who are building the nation and building future promising leaders for the country.
28:34Do you think these, look at these faces.
28:36They can't even have a proper rational intellectual discussion.
28:39All they can do, and this is what I was saying, they are short of words
28:43because they've never gotten into deep level intellectual discourses ever in their lives.
28:48They find a small laboratory in which they want, they are being taught by a certain set of these slogans,
28:54by some of their, you know, old students, alumni, professors, I don't know whom.
28:58And they keep repeating that.
28:59Has there been any innovation that they've come out with?
29:01Come on, come on, you can show innovation in the slogan.
29:03You can't do innovation in the same way.
29:07All right. Sanjay Jhar, two minutes, sir. Make your point.
29:11Preeti, I have found Rajat, my friend's entire two-minute talk, very disturbing.
29:18The language is very provocative.
29:21The way he's branding everybody from the JNU as a parasite and almost like an anti-national.
29:28He talks about, you know, them getting fixed as a very appropriate way to go forward.
29:33These are not just authoritarian, Preeti.
29:35These sound very fascist, which is obliterate the opposition.
29:40And I can tell you that is extremely worrying because I have maintained it in all my public conversations on TV and in my writing that Mr. Modi's government's attempt has to, has clearly been very explicit, destroy all forms of dissent.
29:58And nobody in their right senses is approving bad language.
30:01That's how I started.
30:02But clearly, you can see there is a lot of, I would call as animosity, hatred, ire against the left and against JNU.
30:11And don't forget, Preeti, that in 2020, what happened at JNU was literally under the watch of the Delhi police.
30:19It was not just JNU. It was Jamia Milia as well.
30:22Students were terrified.
30:24They were being attacked in broad daylight.
30:26People were injured.
30:27And we know who was behind it, right?
30:29Who was wearing the mask?
30:30Which political party's student wing was that?
30:34Or the RSS wing?
30:35There are a couple of points that we should not lose track of.
30:38Christmas, since Rajat talked about wanton violence, you know who did that?
30:43It was the Vishwa Hindu Parishad and the Bajrang Dal who are members of the Sangh Pariwar.
30:48And they openly called for attacking all these Santa Claus celebrations going on in the country.
30:53That is what you should be worried about.
30:54These are speeches, they are bad.
30:56But these were actual violent attacks being done.
30:59Can we condemn the lynching that is going on in this country?
31:02Can we condemn what is happening to Muslims in this country?
31:05Can we talk about an open call for genocide under Union Ministry of Culture?
31:11That's the real problem for India.
31:13All right.
31:14Okay.
31:14Thank you, Sanjeeja, for joining us and all our guests.
31:16We're going to leave it with that.
31:17Well, you know, Sanjeeja, if Rajat Sethi or the likes of Rajat Sethi have a point of view,
31:22do they have every right to that point of view?
31:24But then so do the students of J&E.
31:27But did they push it too far by raising slogans which many would think are not in national interest
31:33where you speak of digging the grave of the Prime Minister?
31:35Should they have been mindful of that?
31:38Possibly, yes.
31:39We're going to leave it at that.
31:41Thank you for joining us.
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