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00:00A couple of you have texted in Boxer and Gerson work injury attorney's text line.
00:06Would Klay want to play for the Warriors?
00:09And I'll just sum it up based on what Anthony Slater wrote today on ESPN.
00:16Who?
00:17Anthony Slates.
00:20God, do I have to beg for it?
00:21Do it right.
00:23My bad.
00:23Yep.
00:24All right.
00:25Based on what he wrote, what do you think, Mark?
00:27He wants to play with Steph Curry and Draymond Green.
00:30But who's the owner?
00:32But he'd give a bleep.
00:34I don't know if he'd cross the street to put a fire out for Joe Lacob.
00:39How would he put that fire out?
00:41With a bucket of water, Mark.
00:44What's wrong with you?
00:45I was going to say, maybe with his shooting?
00:48Oh!
00:50Crying out.
00:51He's been playing.
00:52Don't look at me.
00:53I don't say anything.
00:55He's actually been shooting it better.
00:56I mean, they do call him the Splash Brothers.
00:58Like, that makes sense.
00:59Could be a compliment.
01:00He's Mr. Freeze-Mizer.
01:02Thank you, Gritty.
01:03See, I was saying he was hot.
01:05Like, as hot as you with your picks.
01:07Well, I mean, as hot as Lucas with the bucket of water in the video last year.
01:11I had to actually move over to have the water hit me.
01:15That was still so good.
01:17It was pretty funny.
01:18You remember, Lucas?
01:19I was accurate with my tosses.
01:20I don't know.
01:20First one, yes.
01:21You were almost out of water.
01:22So he, like, you were throwing water and Dibs had to go get underneath the drips.
01:26Good time.
01:27Yeah, the drips.
01:27Yeah, right.
01:28Yeah.
01:29That was good.
01:29Wasn't that the holidays last year?
01:31It's when Clay came to town.
01:32It was right around the holiday season.
01:34Sure.
01:34So let's do it again.
01:35It was November when he came back.
01:36Yeah.
01:36Okay, whatever.
01:37So we're a little late.
01:38How about you get doused this time?
01:40I'm fine with that.
01:41But, like, it would be funnier if it were you.
01:44Right.
01:45I had the captain's hat on.
01:46Yeah.
01:46You're the funny guy.
01:47It was the whole splash trend.
01:49Yeah.
01:49And our great social media director, Whitley Sandretto.
01:53Who is scouting right now.
01:54Yeah.
01:55And she's like, oh, this is great.
01:57And look, look, look.
01:58Dibs, I think we need to douse you with water.
02:01Do you know what?
02:01I didn't even know what was going on.
02:03And it just so happened that I, like, I walked by on my way into the office.
02:07And I'm like, what in the hell is happening across the street?
02:12My partner is in an alley with a captain's hat on.
02:16And his crooked leg.
02:17Trying to look like Brandon Belt.
02:18And people are throwing buckets of water on him.
02:22And he's yelling into a camera.
02:23Yeah.
02:24What the hell is this?
02:25But then again, I'm like, it's San Francisco.
02:27So I was just like, come on here.
02:28You just never know.
02:29Who knows?
02:29And it's radio in the 2020s where, you know.
02:32Weird stuff's happening across the street.
02:34But that's normal.
02:35And I'm, so yeah, I'm all about it.
02:37Bring Clay back.
02:38Bring him back.
02:39What else are we doing?
02:40Well, I think there's a bigger question here.
02:44Because, yeah, even the guys who are talking about it in this article admit this is years away.
02:50This is not something that the Warriors are looking at now.
02:54I mean, look, Anthony Slater came on with Stiney and Goo.
02:56This is what he said about the article and the situation.
03:00You know, could it be a Dwyane Wade type situation?
03:03You know, Steph referred to it as Scottie Pippen, right?
03:06That's the name he brought up to me.
03:07You know, you don't want it to be as contentious and scarred as it is with Scottie Pippen.
03:13And I thought about the name Dwyane Wade because y'all remember him and Pat Riley and that breakup.
03:18And then he goes to the Bulls and the Cavs.
03:20He did end in Miami.
03:22And I think the idea, and I don't want Warriors fans to take this as I suddenly now think their management is going to go after Clay Thompson at this deadline.
03:31But I could potentially see him getting like a farewell type year down the line if everything breaks right.
03:39But I know right now at 13 and 14, that's not necessarily what Warriors fans are thinking about.
03:43Okay, so he's talking about down the road and he's talking about a farewell tour.
03:47And yes, in theory, with that, I have no problem.
03:51I have no problem with that.
03:52But my message is be very, very careful about trying to recreate the past.
03:57Be very careful about trying to solve problems by going into your own history book.
04:03It just does not work.
04:06And I think it's a great bridge to an actual conversation that we're having right now.
04:12It's less about Clay and it's just more about the Warriors and whether or not they are stuck in the past.
04:18I mean, they're stuck in veterans.
04:23I don't know if it's the past.
04:24Like, the past is Steph and Draymond.
04:27Beyond that, like, who on the roster is really the past?
04:30Well, Jimmy is a hired, he's not part of the Warriors past, but he's part of the NBA's past.
04:35Right, and so you brought Jimmy in because he's a guy who knows how to play and he's an older player.
04:40And then you went out and you got Al Horford and you kept GP2, who was 33.
04:45So, yeah, in terms of that, you're stuck, not really in the past, but you're stuck with guys who were over 30.
04:51And the guys who were under 30 are mostly guys you either don't play, don't love, want to trade, or all the above.
05:00I mean, I just think it's understandable.
05:03And maybe that's why I don't have the vitriol for Steve Kerr that some of our listeners expressed yesterday.
05:08To me, it's very understandable.
05:10And I don't know the age, obviously, of everybody listening, and I'm sure we've got plenty of 20-year-olds out there and plenty of 70-year-olds out there.
05:18And some of you will get this, and some of you, this will just sound like another, you know, someone who's had their 50th birthday yelling into the wind.
05:26But here's what I would liken it to.
05:27You know how, like, if you're past 40, you know how changing the channel to all of the streaming apps drives you nuts?
05:37Because you can't figure it out, and you're not sure how to toggle, and you may not even know how many apps you're paying for, right?
05:48I got the Hulu bill, I got the Netflix bill, Amazon Prime, that's baked in, is HBO Max a part of this?
05:56All of that stuff, for whatever reason, and I'm just telling you, if you haven't had your 40th birthday, that doesn't annoy you, because you grew up with it.
06:05That's right, yeah.
06:06If you've had your 40th birthday, it's a migraine headache, and it really bothers people.
06:11It's why so many people have to go over to their mom and dad's house to help, quote-unquote, fix the TV.
06:18The TV's not broken, it just gets to a certain point.
06:21Can you help me fix my phone?
06:23There you go, there you go.
06:25If there's something wrong with my iPhone, all I go is, hey, any one of you three kids, here.
06:30And they go, boop, boop, boop, boop.
06:32There you go, Dad.
06:34Because it's second nature.
06:35Now, could I learn how to swipe right, swipe left, swipe up, swipe down, where to find, how do I go into airplane mode?
06:46Could my mom learn this?
06:48Of course she could.
06:50But she doesn't have the capacity for it, because she's tired.
06:56And I believe very firmly that that is what has happened with Steve Kerr and the Warriors.
07:00What, he's tired?
07:01Tired when, not tired per se, but when it comes to we've been doing something a certain way around here for a long time.
07:13There is a star that is the center of the universe, and he remains phenomenal.
07:18So as a young player, if you can come in and figure out how to work with him directly, then we'll let you play.
07:26And if you can't, I don't really have the energy for you.
07:30Is that a hole in his game?
07:32No question.
07:33It's a problem.
07:35But I get it.
07:36I get it.
07:38Steve Kerr and the Warriors are not incentivized to make Jonathan Kaminga a star.
07:43They are incentivized for the end of Steph Curry's career.
07:46And they're incentivized to win.
07:48And the fact that you won in 2022 with, you know, mostly a veteran core,
07:53that's what I think has kind of reaffirmed to you that it can still work.
07:57And I think that the Spurs comp is a great one because they won the title.
08:01And yeah, Kawhi Leonard was the centerpiece of the playoffs.
08:04By the way, he was kind of an afterthought during the regular year.
08:07But that's neither here nor there.
08:09And they went on to have three or four more really good years.
08:12And then Duncan retired, Parker became a Hornet, and Ginobili retired.
08:18And then Kawhi Leonard decided that his neuropathy was so bad that he couldn't even be around the team.
08:24And then they stunk for six years, and that's how that ended.
08:27And if you look at this, the Warriors won in 22.
08:29And they've been relevant.
08:31They won a playoff series against Sacramento.
08:34They lost a play-in.
08:35They won a series against Houston as a seventh seed.
08:37And now here they sit with two years left to Steph.
08:41And so this year might be a playoff berth and a series win and then a series loss.
08:46Whatever it is, I don't think it's trending toward you're going to get one for the thumb.
08:50But you think about it, how is this going to end?
08:53And the way it's going to end is Steph is going to retire.
08:56Hopefully he doesn't go anywhere else.
08:58Draymond Green will retire.
09:00Hopefully he doesn't go anywhere else.
09:02Jimmy Butler is going to have his contract after this year and next year
09:05and do whatever Jimmy wants to do.
09:08Kaminga will be traded.
09:09Pods will be living in the guest house at Steve Kerr's house or Joe Lacob's house or whatever.
09:15I'm going to have to get out of it first.
09:16Yeah, and you're going to be left with what the Spurs were left with,
09:19which is nada, granada.
09:22So that's how this is going to end.
09:24So in the meantime, when you know how this is going to end,
09:27and I know that it could end with, oh boy, we got Giannis,
09:30and now we get to reboot it.
09:31It could.
09:32Highly unlikely.
09:32The way it usually ends, though, is all your stars and your favorites,
09:37they get old, they retire, they go elsewhere if they want,
09:40and then you look around and you go, oh my God, we got Jack Schmidt.
09:46Schmidt, right.
09:47And by the way, the good news there is you have an uber-aggressive, impatient owner
09:52who, like, I actually think when I read this, I'm like, oh, okay.
09:58That's what the email was about.
10:01This is what the email is about.
10:04Coaches' preferences on players.
10:07Style of play.
10:10League trends.
10:11Listen to everything that was in the email.
10:14The email to me tells me that Joe Lacob sees Steve Kerr and, quite frankly,
10:22the whole staff and Steph Curry and Draymond Green and Jimmy Butler
10:27as basketball savants who have been doing something a certain way for so long,
10:32and they continue to do it for some of the obvious reasons we've just laid out,
10:37but also it doesn't work anymore.
10:39Or at least it's not working right now.
10:42And he's not okay with that because Joe, I don't think is,
10:47he's not that, like, fluffy, emotional guy.
10:52Joe is not like, you know, I mean, Joe actually seems to think that Steph Curry
10:58is an employee, and this is going to be great after Steph, too.
11:03And a lot of us wonder about that, but that's what Joe thinks.
11:06That's what I think the email's about.
11:08Yeah, the email is the reality of the way this goes.
11:12And, you know, league trends and style of play and all the rest of it,
11:15yes, the style of play has changed, and the Warriors have gotten older.
11:19So the style of play has gotten younger and faster,
11:22and the Warriors have gotten older and slower.
11:24So that is incontrovertible, the reality of being an older team.
11:28If this was 1993, you could kind of get away with being an older, slower team
11:34because the league was slower then.
11:36Now the league is faster, the league is longer, the league is younger,
11:39and you're none of those things.
11:41So if you're Joe Lacob and you want to be all that and more,
11:45well, you've got Al Horford who's almost 40,
11:48you've got the chef who's going to be 38,
11:50you've got Draymond who has ice on almost his entire body
11:54every time he comes off the floor.
11:56So the reality is you can't adjust to the style of play.
12:01You can't with this roster.
12:02And so if you want to totally overhaul it, good luck.
12:06You can't in real time.
12:07So that's why for me, bring back Clay.
12:10Like let Clay run around and be your eighth man and trade Buddy.
12:14Let Clay shoot 31% from three.
12:17At least like...
12:17What's he shooting this year?
12:19Clay?
12:19Yeah.
12:20I'll look it up.
12:20I bet you it's better than Buddy.
12:23I would think so.
12:23But Clay was bad at the beginning.
12:25And then for the past couple weeks, he's been good.
12:27He's been better.
12:28Yeah.
12:28Pete in Rhode Island, thank you for calling.
12:30888-957-957.
12:31We'll take your calls on this.
12:33Hi, Pete.
12:34What's going on?
12:36Guys, can you hear me?
12:37Yes, we can.
12:39Okay.
12:39I was just going to...
12:41Well, you know, I was fortunate enough to be born in Rhode Island,
12:44so I have had a very, very happy sports life.
12:48Now I'm in San Francisco.
12:49I love the 49ers and Golden State.
12:51Unfortunately, you said, you know, bring Clay back.
12:54Yeah, bring him back for a one-day contract.
12:57Put his shirt up on the ceiling.
13:01As far as Jermon Green, though, he's got a lot of baggage here.
13:05Butler.
13:06Butler looks very uninspired.
13:07He did last year, too.
13:08I don't think he played very well last year, although he did win a few games.
13:13It's just an aging team.
13:15I've seen it with many franchises.
13:16They go through four or five years where they win championships.
13:18And good management knows how to bring in pieces, and it's about pieces.
13:23One or two guys might fit with one or two guys.
13:25It's not about one guy.
13:27You can't bring in one guy and solve a problem.
13:29It's a five-person team.
13:32And I think it's time for them to move on and start thinking, you know.
13:36I mean, as far as Curry, the only way you're going to...
13:38He'll probably end this year with an injury and call retirement.
13:42I think Steve Kerr will probably call it a year after this year also.
13:45So, it's going to be a mediocre year.
13:47You may make the playoffs, but making the playoffs is no big deal.
13:51You know, I mean, how many teams make the playoffs?
13:53It's getting to the finals.
13:54So, I don't see that happening.
13:56Now, getting back to the 49ers, I got a kick out when that guy read your rights
14:00for not talking enough about the 49ers.
14:02But, boy, they look good.
14:04They look good again.
14:05I'm excited.
14:07Of course, I'm excited for New England, too.
14:09And, you know, I'm all about football right now.
14:11But thanks for a great show, guys.
14:13It's always a pleasure to call.
14:14Pete, thanks.
14:15Appreciate that.
14:16Okay, there's a lot there.
14:17And, yeah, there's going to be plenty of football in the 4 o'clock hour.
14:22Maybe some even before that.
14:24Like, this is a humongous game tonight.
14:27Yep.
14:28This is a big, big deal.
14:29And I do wonder, kind of, if you're a Bay Area sports fan of both teams,
14:34of the Warriors and Niners, what is floating your boat a little bit more tonight?
14:37I know the Warriors are more dramatic in this moment.
14:41There's more kind of controversy there.
14:43It has also felt few and far between.
14:46Like, there have been so few games lately that there's a real thirst for this game tonight.
14:51At the same time, if I hear so many Bay Area sports fans say what he just said,
14:57this is all about championships, well, then watch the football game tonight.
15:00That's the one that has an effect on a potential path to a championship round for a Bay Area team.
15:07It does, and I would have been 90% football, 10% Warriors,
15:11had it not been for everything that's gone on over the past week.
15:13Exactly.
15:14With Kaminga, DNP, and now he's back in the rotation,
15:17and the fact that they've lost these games,
15:19and people want Kerr's head on the platter,
15:22and you've got a home-and-home with Phoenix.
15:23I think that the circumstance of tonight makes it so it is a straight-up 50-50.
15:29Like, this football game is the biggest game of the year for games not involving the Niners.
15:34You're right.
15:34100%.
15:35Rams lose, and you have a straight-line path to win the division and maybe be the one seed.
15:40Yeah, I still don't see it likely.
15:42I don't think just going out and winning these next three games is going to be easy.
15:45I don't think so either.
15:46Like, what percentage would you put on them winning the next three, all three, between zero and 100?
15:53The Niners run the table.
15:55The percentage chance is?
15:57Honestly, any NFL team to ask for a three-game win streak at the snap of a finger, to me, is like,
16:04if you're a great team and have three bad teams on your schedule, I still only put it at about 65-70%.
16:10Okay.
16:10Which they just did against three really bad teams.
16:13Right.
16:13Which actually works against them in this case, because you're not asking for a three-game win streak,
16:17you're asking for a seven-game win streak.
16:19I mean, Denver and New England are currently, you know, doing that.
16:22They've won four in a row already.
16:23Are they going to win the next three in a row all against better opponents, potentially all in prime time?
16:30Two at home, you know.
16:32What percent?
16:33I give them a 33.
16:37Okay.
16:37One in three shot to win all three.
16:39All right.
16:40I'd put it a little higher than that, but not much higher, yeah.
16:43This one's the tough one, I think.
16:45You think?
16:46Oh, yeah.
16:47And I don't want to give away the pick.
16:48The pick will be in tomorrow, but...
16:50That, like, well, you don't need to make the pick tomorrow.
16:52You make it Monday.
16:54Oh, that's right.
16:54Monday.
16:55You don't need to make it.
16:55You don't need to make it.
16:56Yeah.
16:56You can make Sunday Night Football pick.
16:58Sure, and I will.
16:59Yeah.
16:59Yeah.
16:59Yeah.
17:01I think what we've seen from that defense, to think that Caleb Williams and Sam Darnold are
17:06not going to be really, really hard, I think is crazy.
17:08Sam Darnold.
17:08They're going to be hard.
17:10It's going to be hard.
17:11Sam Darnold is awful.
17:15Like, he's back to what he was.
17:17No, he's not.
17:18No, he's not.
17:19You watch him play, and I've watched almost every snap, because he was my fantasy quarterback
17:23back when I was still alive in the fantasy league, and just five seconds on that, I lose
17:27to Carter Chickering.
17:29He's got guru in the semifinals.
17:31Yeah.
17:31You talk about a missed opportunity for the Dibber.
17:34Well...
17:34Oh, my God.
17:35Listen, listen, I think you're forgetting the output of the 49er defense right now.
17:41It's bad.
17:42Cam Ward was able to move the ball.
17:45Yeah.
17:45So, Sam Darnold can be bad, and that doesn't mean he's going to look bad against the Niners.
17:50I get it.
17:51Yep.
17:51You know what I mean?
17:52So, anyway...
17:53And the Bears run the ball, and the Colts run the ball.
17:55The Bears are tough.
17:57I've come around on the Bears.
17:59Mononga!
17:59I don't think they're great, but they're tough.
18:02That's a tough game.
18:04That's a tough game.
18:05They've got a lot of things working for them.
18:07And styles make fights, and what they do and what the Colts do are things that the Niners
18:12struggle with.
18:13Oh, and don't forget, the rain is coming to town tomorrow, and apparently not leaving
18:17until 2026.
18:19Yeah, that's what I hear.
18:20Blue sky, by the way.
18:22That's today.
18:22Yeah.
18:22It's coming tomorrow.
18:24It's coming tomorrow.
18:24We'll see.
18:25We'll see.
18:26But, all you Brock Purdy rain people, those two home games, at night...
18:33Could be.
18:35Just saying.
18:35I get it.
18:36Just saying.
18:37Anyway, but his warrior point, though.
18:41Look.
18:43The bottom line is, this is kind of how I feel about it, and I've been trying to express
18:49this a few different ways.
18:50For those of you who are impatient with regard to winning at the highest of levels, I think
19:01that your frustration is coming from the fact that there actually is no answer.
19:05There is not an answer.
19:07And by that, I don't mean that the Warriors can't play.
19:12Like, even Pete goes, it's not about making the playoffs, it's about winning championships.
19:16I disagree at this stage.
19:17Even Steph Curry has said it's about meaningful basketball.
19:22Right.
19:22I think playoff series, that series against Houston last year, that was meaningful basketball.
19:29The games against the Wolves, especially the one that he was in, meaningful basketball.
19:36But, not championship basketball.
19:39I don't know what would have happened next if Steph Curry hadn't gotten hurt.
19:44I still didn't think they were going to win the whole thing.
19:46But it was meaningful basketball.
19:48And that remains the goal this year as well.
19:51So, to me, it's not just about championships.
19:53But, it feels like that I hear a lot of Warrior fans say two things.
19:59One, Steph has got to finish his career here.
20:03He's still playing at a high level.
20:05And then, in the next sentence, the Warriors aren't developing young talent.
20:10And they're too old and they need to turn some things over to the young guys.
20:14And my answer is, you can't do both.
20:19No.
20:19You literally cannot do both.
20:21So, if you want to yell at Steve, then yell at Steve.
20:25I get it.
20:26And this is what I meant the other day when I said, Steph has greenlit all of this.
20:31Steph Curry wants to win playoff games.
20:35Sure.
20:35You can't.
20:36Draymond, too.
20:37You can't do that by handing things over to people who are 22.
20:42It just doesn't work.
20:43Unless they're capable in their eyes, which is Brandon Pajemski.
20:47He's the youngest guy on the roster.
20:48And so, you're not handing it over to him, but he leads the team in minutes.
20:53So, you can hand it over to younger players if you feel like they can help and contribute to you winning.
20:58Or if they're good enough.
20:59And they're not.
21:00None of them are, no.
21:01They're not good enough.
21:02You know, the Warriors don't usually have good picks.
21:06Because they've been a good team.
21:07And when they've had good picks, they have not picked good players.
21:10They have missed.
21:11Absolutely.
21:12Of their three lottery picks they've had, they've gone a half for three.
21:18And maybe a little bit more than that.
21:20Weisman's obviously a total miss.
21:23Moody's, I mean.
21:24Moody's a player.
21:25He's fine.
21:25He's a late lottery pick.
21:27And he is not offensive.
21:30And Kaminga, I do think the jury's still out.
21:31Because he may go on and be a great player elsewhere.
21:34I don't think he will be here.
21:35Yeah, of course the jury's still out.
21:37And that is probably why that is the face of the problem.
21:42I don't mean Jonathan's the problem.
21:43The face of the whole thing.
21:45The email, all of that.
21:47The central figure, the eye of the storm, is the relationship between Jonathan and Steve.
21:54And nobody wants to hear this, but I get both of their points.
21:59I really do.
22:01Steve is like, we've been playing a certain way around here for a really long time.
22:04And that's how we play.
22:05This is how we play with Steph.
22:06And Jonathan's like, but there was a great caller earlier today on Stiney and Goo.
22:11And he was talking about how the Warriors are almost dependent on the young players that come into the system.
22:17Just being in full agreement that they will give up portions of their game in order to just do it Steph's way.
22:23And the way the caller put it is, that's clipping their wings.
22:28Yeah, I heard that.
22:29And it's a great point.
22:31It's a great point.
22:33And not everybody is going to agree to that.
22:35And Jonathan has not agreed to that.
22:38And he's not wrong for that.
22:40But at the same time, what exactly do you want the Warriors to do?
22:45Steph, thanks for your opinion.
22:47Jonathan wants to fly.
22:49So, we've got to let him go.
22:51We've got to let him go, man.
22:52We've got to follow this Kaminga guy.
22:55And Steph's like, those of you who don't want Steph to be in Charlotte, that's how you send Steph to Charlotte.
23:01Yeah.
23:01That's how you tick him off.
23:04It's a hell of a puzzle, man.
23:05And it's also how you tick him off if you decide to run the coach out because you don't think that he is that guy.
23:11And Steph loves the coach.
23:12So, everything goes through 30.
23:14All roads lead not to Kaminga, but to Steph Curry.
23:17As it should be.
23:20As it should be.
23:21That's how an NBA organization works.
23:24And by the way, if you don't do that, then you end up with, for instance, like Jimmy in Miami last year.
23:30And you know what that is, right?
23:32It's an alienation sensation.
23:34Okay, I'm glad you helped me out.
23:36I would not have done that.
23:37It's too big.
23:38A little too esoteric.
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