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El senador Iván Cepeda, líder del Pacto Histórico y de la oposición en la que ahora se ubica la izquierda, reveló la ruta con la que esta tendencia ideológica busca regresar al poder; la primera parada son las regionales de 2027. La capital del país está en los planes. Habló de su relación con el exmandatario Gustavo Petro y de los dos meses que completa el presidente Abelardo de la Espriella como jefe de Estado. “Tenemos toda la experiencia para volver a gobernar a Bogotá”, advirtió.
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00:10Hello, greetings to all the viewers tuning in at this hour.
00:15New episode of interviews, the viewer, I am Daniel Valero, the politics editor, and in this
00:20We have an opportunity to talk about our political and national landscape with the leader of the left.
00:28with Senator Iván Cepeda, former presidential candidate and obviously one of the most visible faces
00:34National level of the historic pact, Senator, welcome to the viewer, thank you very much Daniel
00:39And to the viewer for this opportunity, well Senator, you are a political leader, tell us a little bit about what
00:45There is a historic pact, two months have already passed since the new government took office, and another two months since the election.
00:51What is the Colombian left doing, Senator? Well, we are in the public sphere and in our activity
00:58politically generating all the necessary foundations and actions as a political opposition
01:08presenting our points of view on the reality that the new government has generated but
01:14At the same time, we are developing our proposals and visions for the future, and on the other hand, preparing our big event.
01:22national meeting the founding congress of the historic pact the social and political mobilization around
01:32the decisions the government is making and also our electoral participation of course for the
01:39The events that will take place next year on those days, how are you reorganizing yourselves, you had
01:46He also announced a series of consultations to organize that founding congress if we have to
01:53To say it, we have given a very clear demonstration of a democratic exercise in the historic pact we made the
02:02past elections with consultation, that is, with the participation of many candidates
02:11who were elected to Congress and also in my own case through popular election that
02:18This involves public consultation; we are going to repeat that mechanism, and furthermore, we are going to institutionalize it as part of the
02:26election of the people who will be delegates to our founding congress and we will also do it to elect the
02:34people who will be candidates for mayoralties, governorships, council, and assembly in many
02:44departments of the country and cities, so there will be two processes, let's say, of popular consultation, so that people come out
02:51and vote for
02:52Those who want to be the delegates of the historic pact, that is the desire we have.
02:58Obviously, in high schools, how can that process happen in the best way with the older students?
03:07guarantees and in the most democratic way so that the pact can also have the title of being
03:17he
03:17more democratic party, having chosen its representatives in this way in the last elections as well
03:24To do it this time when they would be senators, because I think that in the coming months this won't happen.
03:30It's a long-term process; I think we're talking about the first few months of next year.
03:36Probably, but I won't set a timeline before our collective leadership does.
03:47Senator Carolina Corcho said there is a lack of democracy; Senator Iván Cepeda said we are not very democratic.
03:53What's the result of all this? No, I haven't perceived that as the discussion. Okay, what I would say is...
04:00is this what a
04:01The fact that a community is democratic and has ongoing deliberation does not imply that it is either divided or
04:09The fragmented nature of this is very striking, and this is symptomatic of the media system.
04:17Communication efforts have therefore attempted in some way to spread the idea that there is a process
04:26growing division and fragmentation in the historical pact, but the reality is that we are very
04:33solidly, then, compact around these ideas I'm saying about how to organize ourselves, how to do
04:40the political opposition and how to present ourselves in the most proactive way possible to the country in order to
04:48help solve the major problems the nation faces today, some representatives in the House if
04:54They suddenly speak of a need for more renewal in the leadership representing the pact
04:59They've said it publicly, as you can see, Senator, as a need that I share and I believe will
05:05to
05:06to take place now that we can democratically choose not only those who will be our leaders
05:13not only represent in Congress but also, I hope, Congress itself will elect many new figures who
05:21They have appeared in territories that are characterized by not being artificial leaders but very
05:31linked to the communities, to social struggles, and I believe it is for them that we work.
05:38in it
05:39I expect that renewal to be a historical pact, and that leads me to ask you both
05:45The most important figures are Iván Cepeda and Gustavo Petro. What role will they play in this renewal?
05:52Well, you two, who already have such a long history within the left, well, President Petro...
05:58He also said, "President, because that is most certainly the proposal that I have made and that has had..."
06:05Eco is going to be the figure who will lead the historic pact; at least that's a proposal that's on the table.
06:13in order
06:15of the day and in fact it is already beginning to materialize with its direction at this moment of the political situation and
06:23my role
06:24Well, in the coming years, in addition to being in Congress, I will be leading the political opposition, that's what I've said.
06:31come
06:31doing, and that is the task I have after having received the mandate of 12.7 million people in
06:39the last elections and I know he's a frank guy when it comes to talking about politics, about some names of whom
06:44are
06:44I wouldn't want a renewal on the left because if I mention some things, I can omit others, which I do.
06:52I can
06:52That is to say, we obtained in our election results 70 percent
07:00The youth vote in Colombia means that we are a group that has the support and the trust.
07:09credibility across a broad swath of the youth spectrum in the country, and I must also say we gained in a
07:18historic voter turnout in rural areas, reaching 65 percent of the population
07:26rural areas participated in the previous electoral process because we obtained a high percentage then that
07:34The composition should be reflected in the direction of the pole; there should be many more young people, many more women.
07:42many more figures from the country's territories and obviously there is a mix of
07:51leaders with more experience and young people who also come with innovative ideas before
07:58Let's move on to analyzing how he views the government of President Adolrado de la Esprella after that election.
08:03You joined us in this newsroom and we asked you about your relationship with former president Gustavo Petro.
08:08President of the historic pact, how is this today?
08:12Well, if you ask me about the government of Mr. de la Esprella, but about the first one, about how
08:19His relationship with the president is normal, the same as always; we have a relationship
08:25of collaborative, articulated, and harmonious work, obviously with each person's vision, since we are not
08:36People who have demonstrated this in our political life imitate or follow
08:41blindly following leadership and well, obviously amidst the vicissitudes that this moment brings
08:50There is a political campaign against President Petro to try to undermine the judiciary, morally and politically.
08:58also against all our direction and therefore solidarity is obviously necessary here when it is
09:06Criticism is necessary, but what's essential is working together to overcome this.
09:13This is a difficult time for the country, it must be said; you must surround yourselves as leaders to avoid that
09:20The campaign you are denouncing is not simply because we have the full right to participate in
09:28politics and neither President Petro nor I are vetoed or censored, nor will we allow ourselves to be vetoed or censored
09:37Nobody owes that.
09:39We need to be clear about our political adversaries, so we must say it calmly but also with complete resolve.
09:48You clearly already said that Senator Iván Cepeda leads the political opposition that will be and has been
09:54spoken of a possible
09:56Former President Petro's candidacy, that's really how it is, clarify it for the state audiences, I am very
10:01I'm careful, I speak for myself and make my own announcements. President Petro obviously has all the
10:08Autonomy, what we have discussed and it is clear that in this political moment he is going to be the
10:14president of the pact
10:15historical and from there we'll see how political life unfolds, but well, in my case I'll do
10:22the
10:22tasks that the historical pact grants me and the mandate of the citizens, I repeat, that I received in the
10:30Those who have already been through the past elections are now warming up for the 2027 elections. No senator, yes.
10:35We're working on it, and obviously part of promoting the idea of a popular consultation is that, and not only that.
10:44as
10:45not only a historic pact but also with the forces with which we have had alliances and probably with others as well
10:51that we are going to present a diverse, pluralistic, and inclusive spectrum of political forces to win the
10:57Local elections in Bogotá are, of course, a place where we will assert our influence and what
11:04It represents our history in this city, which we have already governed, among other things, by the president
11:13Petro, who had a very important and relevant mayoral term, that of Bogotá Humana, and from that
11:19From this perspective, we have all the experience and all the credentials to govern this city again.
11:26This also implies that, to finalize the electoral issue, there will be more mobilizations led by the pact.
11:34The union sectors, or rather, the streets, yes, but not necessarily united in these mobilizations.
11:41not just the electoral issue, but the very clear reason that the policy this government is carrying out is
11:49to
11:50activate not because the historical pact so desires or simply because we establish it by decree.
11:57not us, but because it's what's right, people are going to come out and defend their rights and they're going to
12:04do
12:04I take this legitimate opportunity to reject, of course, all the measures that are being invented.
12:12This government is trying to limit, criminalize, and censor citizens' protests; that is a right.
12:20We will challenge the decrees and decisions that we consider to be in conflict with the Constitution.
12:27democratic right because what we see is that the government wants to carry out decisions that are completely
12:34arbitrary measures that violate social rights and seek to brutally repress protest and
12:41peaceful and legitimate social mobilization of citizens, or do you feel that a scenario is coming through
12:48mobilization and that the government is somehow looking for ways to stop it; in fact, it is already happening.
12:54And if the government is reverting to human rights violation practices of censorship of the
13:05Regarding public freedoms, we have seen how he behaves towards journalists who are not to his liking.
13:11also with the judiciary, which does not docilely comply with the formulas proclaimed by the government and also
13:21Even with union leaders, Dr. Bruce McMaster is already a first victim of this treatment
13:29Absolutely arrogant and overbearing on the part of this government, so it's against a broad spectrum
13:37a very pluralistic forces are developing an eminently despotic and authoritarian attitude
13:45Senator, do you feel safe in this government? No, I have said it clearly: there are plans against me.
13:52very specific instances of illegal activity or campaigns that appear to be legal every day in
14:00Social media, which uses all kinds of dirty and defamatory tactics, appeals to...
14:09Slander involves resorting to all kinds of lies, and that, in my view, shows how...
14:16This deals with
14:16government to its opponents and I reiterate the question: do you feel safe? No, I'm not telling you, I'm reiterating it.
14:23No
14:23No, no, and that doesn't scare me, it doesn't frighten me at all, it doesn't make me go
14:31to defect or to renounce it
14:34which is my political life, but I must clearly say that it is against me and against the leadership of the pact.
14:40Historically, violence has been perpetrated against the women who are part of our caucus.
14:47This policy of persecution aims to remove us from the public sphere; the international community should be more involved.
14:54Some voices on their side have said this, yes, but not in this case.
15:00foreign intervention that attempts in some way to favor this government than expressions of that
15:08We have already had many interventions, but not multilateral organizations that can play a so-called role
15:16to the order of a government that has signed international treaties that bind it to respect the
15:22social state of law, October 7th marks two months since the start of the president's administration
15:29Abelardo de la Espriella, that's Senator Iván Cepeda, what does he have to say about these past two months?
15:35that this is a government that in a short time has responded to the definitions that we
15:44Since the election campaign, we have created a government that has surrendered our sovereignty in military terms.
15:52In political terms and in economic terms, a government that has behaved as I already said
15:59in an authoritarian and violent manner, whose public order policy is part of a spectacle and
16:08not some real changes, a corrupt government that has made appointments to key positions in
16:16government and state officials who have a clear conflict of interest with the functions that a government must fulfill, which is
16:24short-sightedness that doesn't think about the future is handing over our natural resources to exploitation and plunder.
16:32absolutely irresponsible, to mention just a few of the traits that Mr. de la Espriella has already shown and
16:40his circle of government and if you look at him
16:43Looking ahead, what awaits Colombia in these four years? The majority at the polls says this [previous election] won.
16:49Our political project is that we will not allow the country to be handed over to drug trafficking because it is truly alarming.
16:59that all the rhetoric of the Lord of Espriella is precisely that he wages a relentless battle against the
17:08drug trafficking
17:08But all of their actions, when examined in depth, benefit sectors that have been closely linked to
17:15drug trafficking and also paramilitarism, so we are going to oppose that, we are going to clearly oppose it and we are going to
17:24defend
17:24Social rights are the gains our government has made in recent years, and therefore we will move forward
17:32My message is one of responsibility, tranquility, and hope for the people.
17:40Colombian regarding our political behavior and conduct in order to close
17:45This dialogue, which I thank you for providing to the audiences of the spectator senator, the topic
17:51It's also about how that defense will be, not to repeat what we already talked about at the campaign level.
17:57and so on, but how?
17:58They're going to be that legal defense; the political parties are organizing themselves, how will what you categorize be?
18:03all the plans to which we have access and to which the constitution and the law give us the right
18:09we're going to
18:10We will exercise political control in a very severe and rigorous manner; we will participate and promote the
18:18peaceful, organized but forceful mobilization of the population; we are going to exercise our right to
18:26I've said civil disobedience, and of course we're also going to formulate policy proposals.
18:33ideas for bills to also proactively address this project that
18:42Some already call the senator fascist; if he acknowledges anything positive about the current government, hardly anything.
18:51Neither social, nor political, nor economic, hardly, hardly, okay senator, and let's close this, this
18:58This dialogue, this historic pact, will undoubtedly regain power; it is the most influential formation.
19:08The powerful force in the country draws attention to the energy used to try to undermine or
19:19to trivialize or minimize its strength, and that is directly proportional to precisely the
19:26influence and the power it has if we were a group that had no influence whatsoever
19:32In this country, we wouldn't see that intention and interest on a daily basis; in fact, it's striking that
19:41many
19:41Sometimes here, more effort and energy is poured into how to conduct the opposition.
19:50in
19:51The way the government is being run has changed; that is to say, we have had activity flourishing now.
20:00advising on how to oppose and less on reflecting on what is happening at the level of
20:07public policy and the way in which the government is behaving and conducting itself, and the question
20:14The final question is in this space if I had President Abelardo de la Espriella in front of me, regarding...
20:20How to govern? What recommendation would you give him? No, we are a serious opposition to Mr. de la
20:28The first thing we told Espriella is that he must renounce his status as a US citizen.
20:36so that it stops favoring the interests of another government in the most servile way possible a few days ago
20:45President Sheinbaum, during the celebration of the second anniversary of her term, said something that is
20:51Perfectly applicable here to Colombia, a head of state is someone who governs and represents a country
20:58He cannot have two flags. I endorse that statement. We say to Mr. de la Espriella
21:06He cannot have two flags; he must abide by the constitution, which he is trying to undermine.
21:14Days with his decisions must adhere to the laws and must not disregard the separation of powers
21:21Public officials should not persecute judges, journalists, or opponents; they must respect the
21:28Women and people of sexual diversity should stop imposing an official religion on us or trying to
21:36Imposing all of that on us falls within the spectrum of matters that he must comply with, not because we tell him to.
21:43not only as the opposition, but because it is the mandate of the constitution, so to summarize my
21:49De la Espriella's response must respect the political constitution of Colombia, Senator, you have been very
21:55Thank you so much for joining us in this space, thank you very much Daniel, you are very kind and
21:59You, the audience, don't forget to stay connected second by second to what's happening in the
22:03country through all our digital channels and obviously our print version where also
22:08There will be a portion of this interview we just had with Senator Iván Cepeda that will be postponed until a later date.