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00:00the flying v's originate back to the 50s that was like the beginning you know this design that was
00:05uh this is it man you know we're beating russia to outer space we're gonna have a guitar that
00:10looks like that feels you know ready to take off the flying v
00:15rock metal frog and everything in between welcome to this episode of talk and rock with meltdown
00:22don't forget to follow the audio only talking rock podcast on all podcast platforms and now
00:27it's time for today's conversation here's meltdown hey sean good to make your acquaintance how's
00:33things going with you meltdown good to see you man everything's good pleasure yeah you too so the
00:39book is out uh battle axes a hard rocket history of pointy guitars and this is um this is yeah
00:46there
00:46it is right there perfect but before we get in the book let's hear a little bit of a history
00:52about what you've done because uh from what i understand you've played in every canadian
00:56band possible except for the one i'm seeing tonight called rush but every band other than
01:00rush so yeah you know what i've been very very lucky you know i my first concert i ever saw
01:06was
01:07helix and honeymoon suite in north bay ontario and i i've had a chance to play with both those bands
01:12so
01:13i mean i've been i've been a lucky guy and you know currently playing with lee aaron i work with
01:17coney hatch i've been with alan fruit from glass tiger uh rough trade uh i got to work a little
01:23with
01:24harlequin you know i've been very very fortunate in that way you know to get to play with some great
01:28canadian artists and musicians yeah when you're a canadian artist i've asked i've asked bands about
01:33this before from canada and from other parts of the world but um how important is it for you to
01:37try to break and in america it's kind of funny because like a band like tragically hip for example
01:42it's like they never broke here in america but man they were beloved in canada yeah you know of course
01:49you know that america you know the population so vast such a great love of rock and roll that
01:55that's you know for many people that's the dream right but uh sometimes that's not the reality you
02:01know and that has to do with everything from record company politics to just the amount of artists
02:06trying to break through in that scene and in the states and all sorts of factors but you know i
02:11with
02:12my own band crash kelly we had an american record deal i got the tour across the country didn't
02:17quite crack it but but sure had a good time trying and still have lots of friends from from uh
02:22you
02:23know those days yeah when when was that band around i vaguely remember that band yeah we we were really
02:28kind of going around 2003 the first record came out active till about 2010 maybe you know and then
02:37after that i got a gig touring with nelly furtado and uh that kind of you know i realized maybe
02:42playing
02:42guitar in someone else's band is gonna make me more money than trying to make it my own but i
02:48i
02:48loved having my own band and and trying you know and and and lots of good memories and yeah we
02:54toured
02:54the states with alice cooper and backyard babies a bunch of bands had a great time yeah that's great
03:00and so you so i see you've got a bunch of guitars behind you so how many pointy guitars do
03:04you have
03:04behind you how many pointy let's take a look here i'll move on the way here i've got a couple
03:09i've got
03:10you know this is really kind of the uh this is pointy as it gets yeah this is my signature
03:16model
03:16godfrey uh xquire sk but i've got a bunch actually it's funny i just broke out this uh hold on
03:24make
03:25sure the pointy guitar the only problem with the pointy guitar is it doesn't want to sit in the stand
03:28sometimes okay you'd know more about that than i would since i don't know but but check this thing
03:35out this is obscene like ow this is a guy out of hamilton ontario havoc guitars i just saw him
03:42on
03:43like this is the kind of thing i search for right like i mean this literally could poke your eye
03:48out
03:50so what do you mean you search for him are you are you buying up guitars like this if you
03:53see him oh
03:54yeah man i'm a hunter you know and and and where some people you know are really specific i just
03:59look
03:59for things that kind of excite me and and you know bring up that that enthusiasm i felt as a
04:05kid
04:05flipping through a guitar player magazine or guitar for the practicing musician and you know wanting
04:10to have something that looked the way that music sounded to me the great hard rock of the 70s and
04:1580s yeah i was gonna say so what what was that turning point for you i've talked to a you
04:19know it's
04:20funny that the people i talked to as far as the eras are concerned uh you know if you're if
04:25you're a rock
04:25musician like like let's say over 55 or over 50 like the beatles were your thing and then as and
04:31then
04:31kiss comes into it for some people that a little bit younger you know and then any van halen stuff
04:35like that so what was your gateway twisted effing sister okay i am an smf yeah uh sick you know
04:45that was it when i saw the we're not gonna take it video i was like these guys look like
04:53linebackers
04:54but maybe out of the rocky horror picture show but also out of a looney tunes cartoon i want whatever
05:01this is i don't know what it is but i want to be it and that was the gateway and
05:06then years later i
05:07got to work with closely with d snyder you know amazing full full circle yeah i know i noticed you
05:14worked with d so when was this that you worked with dean and what capacity were you working with him
05:18that was in 2015 and it was in his musical d snyder's rock and roll christmas tale a happy metal
05:26christmas musical that ran in toronto and it's so funny uh at the time i was playing with an
05:32american band called four by fate which was the members of fraley's comment essentially without ace
05:37fraley and we had a manager danny stanton who was twisted sisters agent so when i saw d was coming
05:44i didn't know what the rock and roll christmas tale thing was i said danny think you can get me
05:48an audition playing in the pit you know i know all those dudes he goes oh yeah man let me
05:52see what i
05:53can do and next thing you know he goes okay dude good news we'll send you the script and i
05:58go script
05:58what do you mean you score know the script with the words that you will have to say as an
06:04actor
06:06so i had to learn how to act and dance for this musical with d snyder but for me the
06:14humiliation
06:15that went into all that stuff like learning how to do that was worth it just for the chance to
06:19audition and play guitar for the guy and sing a sing we're not going to take with him fortunately
06:24it all worked out i got the gig and it was one of the best professional experiences of my life
06:30and so then you meet dean you tell him your story about how you got into rock and roll right
06:34i i did i did and you know i i wanted to wait a little bit because you know i
06:39wanted to try and
06:39be professional but it didn't take long before i was spilling my guts and and you know he was he's
06:45so receptive such a great guy and he's become you know someone i really i really look up to as
06:50a
06:51mentor and as a friend and uh you know we worked hard putting a musical together is no joke man
06:56it is
06:57hard hard work and uh you know d wrote a really great musical taylor dane was in it
07:03you know it was one of the best times of my life and i'm and i'm so grateful for it
07:08so yeah i it was
07:09nice to get to tell d what he meant to me and actually i gotta show you something i think
07:13i got
07:14here i gotta show you this man put my pointy guitar down i was on the road i played with
07:21lee aaron
07:21a singer and uh i was on the road recently in winnipeg and i found this but dude i had
07:30this pin when i was a
07:31kid yeah so i found this but i look at i got ian hunter and mick ronson two of my
07:36favorite rock and
07:37roll heroes and there's there's another one so i sent that to d i said look d i got the
07:42holy trinity
07:42of rock inspiration there hunter ronson snyder i love that yeah i became friends with d uh you know
07:50now i i would i would consider myself an acquaintance of d but i i i actually kind of knew
07:54him a little bit
07:54during his widow maker widow maker days what a great band al petrelli on guitar yeah that's right
08:01yeah how did you know how did you know him from that he just he just came through buffalo a
08:05few
08:05times when i was there and um we just hit it off and i actually did a great interview with
08:09him about
08:10about an hour long in front of an audience in 2018 that was really good uh but getting back to
08:16your
08:16book itself oh by the way are you gonna go see uh the twisted sister i know they got some
08:20canadian
08:20gigs coming up i know one right here in windsor yeah if i if i can make it i think
08:24they're playing
08:24niagara falls too okay just windsor maybe niagara falls i saw that i will definitely try i i interviewed
08:30jj for my book so i i'd love to go and give him a copy in person and uh and
08:36you know sebastian bach man
08:37i think if you're gonna i don't think anyone can replace d snyder but i will say this sebastian bach's
08:43a true fan he understands the assignment and i think he will bring everything he's got you know
08:50sebastian's a bit of a crazy dude but i'll tell you he uh he is an authentic music lover yes
08:55and i
08:57think i i watched some footage of them rehearsing and you know i think it's gonna be fun i think
09:02it's
09:02gonna be combustible and exciting and a lot of fun yeah i saw him here in march in detroit and
09:06they did
09:07uh we're not gonna take it or i want to rock i can't remember which one but it was like
09:09yeah he's
09:10super fired up about this gig for sure and he just mentioned how you interviewed guys for your book
09:15you got a lot of guys i just talked with uh phil collin the other day and uh yeah great
09:20guy so
09:20so tell me about some of the guys you talked with well you know like there was uh bruce kulik
09:25from
09:26kiss who gave me a wonderful insight into the whole pointy guitar era of kiss like it's funny they went
09:33post makeup but they didn't really get any less flashy they came up with some of the wildest guitars
09:38and played you know all sorts of bc rich and hamer guitars and esp guitars uh i talked to carlos
09:46cavazzo from choir right that was a big one because the book's called battle axes and really the
09:51inspiration for the title was the song battle axe which before i ever heard eruption i heard battle
09:58axe the instrumental track off the metal health record so that was and i was like what kind of song
10:03doesn't have words i'm confused what is this why am i scared of this but why do i keep playing
10:09it
10:10again like it was this kind of crazy thing that freaked me out and i loved it so talk to
10:15carlos uh
10:16talk to uh guys like marty friedman from mega death um man bruce bouillet from racer x which was really
10:24cool because you know racer x along with paul gilbert you know bruce was part of the guitar team
10:30and they represent this whole really cool indie scene that was happening back then shrapnel records
10:36where this highly technically proficient music was being recorded on a shoestring budget so getting
10:42the behind the scenes on that was really neat my one of my favorite interviews was a guy named doug
10:47marks who actually i knew from ads in guitar magazines the metal method where you could send away for a
10:54cassette and get a whole course on how to play guitar i couldn't figure that out when i was a
11:00kid in a small town in northern ontario i didn't know the math on ordering and money orders and stuff
11:04my parents weren't too willing to help me with it but uh i was fascinated by this guy who was
11:11like
11:11you should be on the stage instead of in the audience i was like you should i should
11:16did i i remember that guy yeah and that was as influential to me as anything right so
11:22you know along with that i interviewed some um guitar makers uh company founders like dean
11:28zelinski from dean guitars joel danzig from hamer guitars joel lato from leo guitars like you know a
11:34lot of different kind of people involved in different facets in the guitar industry yeah obviously you just
11:39mentioned uh dean guitars i mean the first thing that pops in my head right away is a dime bag
11:43daryl
11:43and then you talked about marty freeman i mean there's a band that was uh built for pointy
11:47guitars megadeth would probably be up there near the top somewhere absolutely mustane you know he
11:53started off with the bc riches you know early adapter there you know and then he's had a number of
11:58like you said dean guitars jackson guitars um you know gibson he's now he's now got signature models
12:05with gibson and um and marty marty uh it was funny talking to him he's kind of like me not
12:13in terms
12:13of guitar playing he's miles ahead of me in that but i mean the fact that he doesn't he's not
12:18really
12:19concerned i can't really remember the minutia when people say oh what neck profile do you have or
12:23what's what's uh you know what's your your bridge height and uh you know profile i don't know i just
12:29grab a guitar and i adapt to it he's the same way i found out and i asked him about
12:35these carvin
12:35guitars that he used to play when he was in his band cacophony with jason patter the carvin v220 he
12:41goes
12:41yeah man they just kind of took us out for dinner and lunches and we thought that was cool and
12:46free
12:46guitars were cool so that's why i played those okay but then of course he went on to jackson and
12:53you know worked more closely with them on on number of signature models and yeah yeah i know ellison uh
12:59he used a lot of jackson basses but it's so funny because uh what you said is probably the story
13:05of a
13:05lot of guitar players they gave us free guitar so we used them early on yeah you know what
13:11and and why not right like i mean here's someone who's validating your existence as a player and
13:17you know there's there's an emotional thing that comes i've been really lucky to have some guitar
13:22endorsements over the years and uh yeah you feel validated when somebody you know feels that you
13:28could represent them in a positive way it's pretty nice feeling now one of my friends back home just
13:33posted that she's about to uh write a book about her and her husband's um uh life story and her
13:38husband
13:38lost a uh an arm and leg in in uh in iraq uh back in the day uh but anyways
13:43um she was like and i just
13:45don't know how to start so how did how did you start i i told her i said you got
13:49to start with a word
13:49then just keep going i mean how do you start a book like this you know what there's a there's
13:54so many
13:54different ways to start a book and you're you're right to an extent sometimes you just gotta write
13:59don't edit yourself until you've put something out there right so just let the ideas flow in that case
14:04where it's something you're writing about a life story it's really just kind of starting someplace
14:09and letting the ideas flow for a research a book like this there's a fair amount of research that
14:15was involved so i i just kind of built an arc i i you know all stories have a beginning
14:21a middle and
14:21an end and i was just trying to figure out what's my line of continuity so i kind of started
14:26uh by by
14:28figuring out what what's the point of a pointy guitar why do people play these things they don't look
14:32like traditional guitars you know so i asked a few plate people about that from there i started
14:37with uh gibson guitars in the 50s because those modernistic designs the flying v the explorer the
14:44modern the futura these were kind of the um their response to fender stratocaster which was pretty
14:53modern design and they wanted and was becoming popular unfortunately those gibson models were too far
14:59ahead of the game and were flops so the flying v and the explorer no one wanted them they were
15:05flops and it wasn't until later on in the 60s when people started finding them in pawn shops guys like
15:11lonnie mack and guys like uh dave davies from the kinks that they're going these guitars sound great
15:16they look kind of cool so wait a second hold on a second so the flying v's originate back to
15:20the 50s
15:21yeah man 58 oh i didn't know that okay yeah that was that was like the the beginning you know
15:25this design that was uh this is it man you know we're beating russia to outer space we're gonna we're
15:32gonna have a guitar that looks like that feels you know ready to take off the flying v and and
15:38you know
15:39just radical design you can see that design element in the cars of the time in in the kitchenware of
15:45the
15:45time you know you're just gonna see players that look like they could be on the jetsons you know
15:49you know you get stuff like this with angles and shapes and really you know this guitar of less's
15:56it has 50s design elements like a fender telecaster you know i can see george and jane his uh wife
16:04you
16:04know using this in the jetsons you know yeah for for whatever purposes yeah so so you you kind of
16:11touched on a little bit so why did guys start playing pointy guitars just because it was something
16:16different it sounded better or just just the way it looked and probably a myriad of reasons huh
16:20well yeah you got it and and a big part was a guy like billy gibbons for example he's in
16:26texas just
16:27starting out he was looking for it was the pickups that the humbucking pickups that were in these guitars
16:33that seth lover had designed he wanted that sound and unless paul was more expensive but he said
16:39i hear you can get that humbucking sound with these throwaway guitars that no one wanted so he started
16:44looking for those um for other people it was just like they were affordable like it was a high
16:49quality instrument that sure it looked a little weird but it gave you that gibson sound now what
16:55happened with gibson and fender was they were both eventually taken over by corporations for gibson it
17:00was taken over by the norland corporation for fender by cbs and we and what i found out in this
17:05book
17:05talking with every company is once you get away from the initial inspiration of the custom shop
17:10hand-built and you start moving into corporate you know cost cutting measures mass productions
17:17inevitably you get a dip in quality quality anyway you're trying to make you know sell more for less
17:25you're gonna you're gonna have to cut corners someplace guys like dean zielinski at dean guitars and
17:30joel dancing and paul hamer at hamer they said man we want to recapture the glory days of those great
17:37instruments and now we're into the 70s where people are playing in arenas bands like kiss are putting
17:44on spectacles but they're still playing guitars from like les paul's that look like they look like
17:48they come from the 50s they wanted to have these futuristic guitars on stage so it kind of matched
17:54the uh more intensified visuals that were happening and of course by the time you get into the mtv era
17:59it's the perfect you know perfect storm perfect combustible chemical reaction of visual with
18:08musical yeah that's uh that's interesting to say that so how many guys did you reach out to and what
18:14percentage would you say uh did you get a chance to talk to for your book i reached out to
18:19a hundred for
18:21sure i got about half of them so there were some people i would have loved to have talked with
18:26and and
18:26some people who were willing to talk but they're on tour like rick nielsen from cheap tricks said he'd
18:31do it but you know you're you're trying to catch these people you know they're nomads right you know
18:36are hard to hard to catch up uh i would love to talk to kk downing from judas priest yeah
18:41a lot of
18:43people i would i would have liked to have talked to but fortunately there are tons of periodicals out
18:48there and i've got a pretty rich archive of of old magazines and i just kind of dug deep into
18:55that that
18:56that old magazine world for the people i didn't talk to and then talking to people who were adjacent
19:01to those people and that was you know an interesting perspective like when you're talking to someone
19:07like joel dancing and hamer he remembers specifically the deaf leopard guys coming into the factory as
19:13young kids being blown away that someone wants to make them an instrument you know you you feel that
19:20enthusiasm through them and of course i did talk to sav and phil for the book and they kind of
19:24reiterated
19:25that you know yeah i think uh rick savage is one of the only guys i've never met from uh
19:30from deaf leopard uh one of the guys i can't remember who it was but one of the guys name
19:35dropped one of my childhood heroes has nothing to do with with with pointing guitars but he name
19:39dropped gilbert perot oh yeah that was probably me dropping that because i was a sabers fan my favorite
19:46hockey player of all time is andre savard okay because andre savard is from my original hometown of
19:54temiskim in quebec and my dad was his coach my dad was and so when i was a kid there
20:00were two nhl stars
20:02from from temiskim in quebec uh three actually richard lemieux from the vancouver canucks gaston gingra
20:09from the montreal canadians they with the high-rising slapper of death and andre savard and andre was my
20:17hero i was a sabers fanatic so not the easiest thing to be in in in small town ontario you
20:24know
20:24the only thing worse is a quebec nordiques fan which i became when andre got traded but i digress
20:31anyway joe perot is in there yeah he's like you know i i likened him to like uh luke's uh
20:37skywalker
20:37with a lightsaber well gilbert perot with uh you know a sherbrooke hockey stick or whatever he's playing
20:42yeah gaston uh if i'm not mistaken i i think i've met him somewhere before i can't remember
20:47i don't know if he was racing horses or something does that sound could be he dated my sister for
20:54a
20:54while i know that i know i took my sister out on a date uh and uh and you know
20:59what was cool about
21:00that i gotta tell you i'm digressing here but andre used to host a golf tournament in temiskimic so
21:06not only would it be andre and gaston serge savard denier ron jacques lemaire gila fleur i would go out
21:15and get to hang out with these guys like on a golf course you know yeah yeah for those people
21:21that
21:21don't know they're listening it's like yeah that that is mind-blowing and uh those are all like
21:24legendary canadian uh hockey players montreal canadians uh yeah man like yeah like pretty
21:30pretty exciting for for a kid you know and and this is remember this is before the internet or
21:37anything you don't think there's a chance in hell you're going to meet anybody you know you're just
21:41used to looking at trees and forest and bush and temiskaming and the mill but all of a sudden you're
21:47surrounded by the elite of of the hockey world yeah that's great well i'm getting back to the book
21:52here because i you you could take me down a path of hockey and we would not stop talking sounds
21:57like it
21:57yeah i just got a text on the way here from jason woolley remember him he's going to see rush
22:02tonight
22:02too he's like oh amazing yeah uh but anyways uh yeah so you you got to probably interview some of
22:08your
22:08some of your rock heroes for this book i'd imagine too right oh yeah man like jj getting to talk
22:14to jj
22:15french i don't know if you've ever talked to jj french he's good at talking and that's lots of
22:20information and but man what a thrill what a fiercely intelligent guy uh you know total uh total
22:27business mind but you know that's everything to me when i just that memory of him you know yellow
22:36and black with that guild x79 hold on a second sure i got a guild x79 here
22:46like that's the twist it's that's gumby on acid right there yeah that's right you know what i'm
22:51saying yeah the only thing i i have to get it i have to get it painted yellow and black
22:55with yellow
22:56black stripes yeah and speaking of that you had some of the striper guys you talked to as well
23:00is that correct yeah man i had a great sorry get back in the frame oh you're fine you're good
23:05i had a great chat with michael sweet from striper yeah uh and man you know there's a guy everyone
23:13knows he's a great singer but people don't realize it's really him doing the majority of guitar solos and
23:20things on those records right and he has such a distinguishable uh sound a very unique sound and
23:27he took uh the time and was very gracious with kind of diving deep into how he got that sound
23:33and
23:33really fascinating and generous you know some people were really secretive about that kind of stuff
23:38he laid it all out you know he was kind of like this is what i do and yeah very
23:43cool and you know
23:44striper was a band that could fly in my roman catholic household you know i could i could i
23:48could you know i my mom was i was a was a record smasher uh in the days of the
23:54pmrc you know she'd
23:55pick up a copy of chatelaine magazine read an article and say oh we got to destroy that
24:01your mom did that huh oh yeah it was it was it was a thing but to be fair to
24:06my mom she's she's a great
24:08supporter you know she she would make i i could argue sometimes like we would have debates about it
24:13and if i could prove that i wasn't getting my mind wasn't getting warped too badly we would
24:18make compromises i remember i had uh the song portfolio for shout at the devil and we ended
24:24up just blacking out the lyrics that were considered offensive and when i look back on it they were
24:29pretty offensive she might have had a point i've got kids now that's great yeah um yeah my mom didn't
24:37do yeah my mom actually bought me um van halen's 1984 the only record she ever bought me i'm not
24:42really sure even why she did i think she had a few extra bucks laying around uh but looking back
24:46on it um with the pointy guitars um do you think it was really just something that kind of that
24:52kind
24:52of took hold in the rock and the metal world and and and really no no place else or was
24:57was there
24:57country guys using pointy guitar i guess i guess there were i you know i i didn't really dive into
25:03it too much in the book but when i think about it there are certainly new wave players who are
25:07using
25:07it certainly fit a new wave aesthetic um i think it was helpful for bands like a band like 38
25:13special
25:14or uh or the van zamp brothers to maybe try to modernize a little bit by playing guitars that
25:21were i think guild was involved with the van zance and 38 special to a degree where maybe that was
25:26a
25:26way a quick way you could have a makeover you know what i mean pick up a pointy guitar all
25:31of a sudden
25:31you know and then there are people like tom petty you know that famous logo tom petty logo from the
25:38first record he's got the flying v going through the heart you know but for some people the flying
25:43v was a classic already it wasn't an odd shaped guitar it just felt like a classic instrument you
25:48know because guys like hendrix played them and you know yeah right away when i think of flying v
25:53like i said i think a dime and uh think of um you know dave mustaine for sure yeah and
25:58a lot of those
25:59metal guys what about the uh guitars like what's the one guy uh i can't remember his name where he
26:03plays the guitars got the two necks oh michelangelo barrio yeah yeah yeah yeah you talk to a guy like
26:08that i didn't talk to him there but i met him i did a nam jam with him and and
26:14and what is super
26:15sweet guy you know so it's a kind of unassuming dude you know like and then he goes up there
26:20and it's
26:20just like and i remember he was in a band called nitro yeah and along with this guy doing this
26:28you had
26:29a singer and his claim to fame was he could break glass that's right jim gillette and he had the
26:34the
26:34jim gillette vocal method which is actually part of the metal method and you two can learn how to
26:39break glass and i'm going like yeah like there was a time in the 80s when that was a a
26:45palpable musical
26:46goal i'm going to shatter glass with my voice that is hysterical i forgot all about that you're right
26:52you had nitro that was something and the hair was huge yeah the songs were like over the top like
26:57i don't know if you could hear a melody in there but god love them they sure played for us
27:01everything was like that i remember interviewing uh joe batomasa one time and i asked him i go how
27:05many guitars do you own he told me 400 so how many do you how many do you own and
27:09what is like your prized
27:10axe i've got about 65 i figure and you know what i i love them and i work with a
27:19lot of different
27:20companies i work with a great company out of montreal called godin guitars i play a lot of their acoustic
27:24guitars i play some of their electrics i work with charvelle jackson and do clinics for them
27:29uh and then i've got like you know these these custom god-free guitars let me show you one i
27:34got
27:34one here that i think you might get a kick out of all right i'm in the middle of uh
27:40getting ready for uh
27:41tours i'm finishing a soundtrack down here so it's just wall-to-wall chaos down in my that's okay
27:48that's the way it goes but uh yeah let me show you this guy because this one kind of there's
27:54a funny
27:54story this is called the mini voltage flying v by godfrey and it's it's a killer guitar but this came
28:05about alcohol was involved on my part i was watching the judas priest turbo tour it was called fuel for
28:15life tour and i'm into my red wine and having a nice night and i call up less less i
28:24need you to
28:24make me a guitar that looks like kk downing's mini flying v and it's got to have this and a
28:29caylor tremolo i'm on it okay and of course i wake up and forget i've done this and i've already
28:37sent the
28:38deposit and everything i have no recollection but why is my money on my god oh let's say let's
28:43i'm on it and he sent me the design so this guitar came and it's funny the first time i
28:48ever played
28:49that angular pointy guitar was with the classical group the tenors like this world famous vocal group
28:56but they were doing a version of bohemian rhapsody and the music director was a buddy of mine i had
29:01done
29:01the rock of ages musical he goes do you have any of those weird pointy guitars i said oh brother
29:06you
29:07got the right guy for the gig but the first band i play this pointy guitar with is the tenors
29:12and
29:12the rest of the night though on the pointy guitar i'm playing like classical tunes and jazz tunes and
29:18everything you know it was like you can't make this stuff up i love it yeah i guess it just
29:22matters
29:23what comes out of it not what it looks like right yeah and you know what man all these guitars
29:27sound
29:27great that's the thing you know they've every every guitar has got a voice right and no two les pauls
29:33sound the same no two stratocasters sound the same you know so for me that's part of it too i'm
29:38inspired by the looks but they but every guitar in my collection has to be functional that's i they
29:43have to go to work yeah if they're not going to work they get donated to some kid or something
29:48well i'll tell you what sean it's great to touch base you and uh for those who don't know i
29:51was
29:51supposed to talk to you on tuesday and completely just kind of mind farted but uh anyways tell everybody
29:56where you're where they can get your book and you know where they can order i suppose amazon and
30:00everything has it right you can get it anywhere you get your books yeah amazon uh all retailers
30:05uh my publisher ecw and simon and schuster in the states do a wonderful job getting it out there so
30:12you can get it anywhere and you can follow me for if you if you can't find one i'll figure
30:15it out for
30:16you i'm at sean kelly guitar on instagram facebook soon sean kelly guitar.com is going to be launched but
30:24uh you can find me on my social media s-e-a-n-k-e-l-l-y good irish
30:28boy there you go
30:31well sean we can talk guitars and hockey all afternoon long but i really appreciate you
30:35rush i gotta go see rush later on that's right yeah i forgot all about that so
30:39yeah good canadian band well thanks so much for your time dude appreciate good luck with the books
30:43thank you man and i appreciate you taking the time great chatting with you brother check out
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