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A major political debate has broken out over the appointment of retired Air Marshal Jitendra Mishra as the Chief Executive Officer of the Shri Ram Janmabhoomi Teerth Kshetra Trust.
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00:00So there are two strands of this discussion.
00:02One, Yogi Adityanath attacking the opposition,
00:06saying when they were at the helm of affairs,
00:09Sanatan Astha, Hindu Astha was under attack.
00:13Whether it was the Samajwadi Party or the Congress,
00:15they insulted Hindu faith,
00:18whether it's in Ayodhya,
00:20then Mathura even now, and Kashi.
00:24He also pointed to the issue how Kaavariyas
00:27were harassed during previous regimes.
00:29What's also equally interesting is the counter-attack
00:33or the attack by the opposition.
00:35Senior Congress leader, Rashid Alvi, for example,
00:38saying the current BJP government
00:40is appointing Supreme Court judges as governors
00:43or members of Rajya Sabha.
00:45This raises doubts in members.
00:47Now you've appointed a retired,
00:49he said air chief, or words to the effect,
00:52but air officer commanding in chief Western Air Command
00:55as the CEO of Ramamandir Trust.
00:57What does he have to do with this?
00:59I wonder if there is some hidden truth
01:02behind Operation Sindhur
01:03that led to his appointment as CEO.
01:06The BJP says this reflects Dimagi, Naksal mindset.
01:10I want to bring in Pankhuri Patak,
01:12spokesperson of the Congress Party joining us,
01:15Sanju Verma, national spokesperson of the BJP joining us,
01:18Ashutosh joins us as a political analyst,
01:20as does Sujata Pandey.
01:22Welcome, Pankhuri, you want to go first
01:25on what Rashid Alvi is trying to say
01:30when he says,
01:31is something being hidden about Operation Sindhur
01:33or words to the effect,
01:35why is an air marshal being appointed CEO
01:37of the Shriramandir Trust?
01:42Good evening.
01:43Well, as far as I know,
01:45Rashid, Mr. Rashid Alvi is not the designated
01:48spokesperson of the Congress Party
01:50and his opinions in no way
01:54are the Congress Party's official stand.
01:56So, I want to assume to know why he is saying what he is saying.
02:01You are distancing yourself.
02:02I mean, the Congress Party is distancing itself
02:04from what Rashid Alvi says.
02:07We don't need to distance ourselves
02:09because that is not our statement in the first place.
02:12He has said something to the media.
02:14I think he is the best person to answer
02:16why he has said what he has said.
02:18That's not the official statement of the Congress Party.
02:21Our concerns are completely different.
02:23Our concerns regarding what's going on in the Ram Temple
02:27are regarding the accountability
02:30as to what has happened previously.
02:33we saw the corruption and the loot
02:36that happened in the Ram Temple.
02:38The people of India still don't have answers to that.
02:40So, that's the question that the Congress has been raising.
02:43We have asked for a forensic audit.
02:45We are still waiting for the Supreme Court's
02:51further directions in this matter.
02:53So, our concerns regarding the Ram Mandir are completely different
02:57and they are related to the accountability
03:00and the loot that has happened
03:02and how the government plans to
03:05and the new CEO, of course,
03:06plan to recover the money that was looted from the Ram Mandir.
03:10So, those are our concerns.
03:11Whatever any other person is saying
03:13has nothing to do with the Congress.
03:14Any other person is a senior leader of your party
03:18as is Imran Masood
03:19and I will come to Imran Masood in just a moment.
03:22But, Sanju Verma respond to the Congress party saying
03:25individual leaders may make statements
03:27but it is the forensic audit
03:30that the Congress party seeks
03:32in the Chanda Chori or the Daan Chori
03:35at the Shriram Mandir
03:36and the roadmap to recover the loot
03:38as the Congress party puts it, ma'am.
03:45Okay, request you to unmute yourself.
03:55Okay, you're still on mute.
03:57Nope, you're not audible.
03:58We'll try and refix that audio in just a moment.
04:02But, Ashutosh, you want to take this now.
04:05Is the Congress speaking in multiple voices?
04:07What do you make of what Rashid Alvi said
04:09and what Imran Masood said, sir?
04:19Ashutosh, can you hear me?
04:21Yeah, I can hear you.
04:22Go ahead, sir.
04:24Can you repeat your question?
04:26Because I just lost hearing.
04:28Okay.
04:29My question was
04:31what is your reading of Rashid Alvi
04:33raising a question
04:35about the appointment of Air Marshal Mishra
04:37as the CEO of the Ram Mandir saying
04:39is there something about Operation Sindur
04:41that the government wants to hide
04:42or words to the effect?
04:45See, Gaurav, it's nonsensical.
04:47It has no meaning.
04:49I think sometimes one should keep his mouth shut
04:51and not to comment on this.
04:53We all have a high respect for the CEO
04:56and he is the highest decorator officer.
04:59And anybody and everybody
05:01has a right to have an opinion,
05:02has an ideology,
05:03as long as it doesn't reflect in their functioning.
05:05Nobody should have an objection to that.
05:06And I have nobody to say
05:08that he can't be an RSS member
05:09or somebody can't be a Congress member.
05:11As long as he's doing his job with competence
05:13and he has done his job with competence,
05:15he's a decorator officer
05:16and let's stop there.
05:18Now, he will be just how he cleanses the entire trust.
05:23Does he bring some kind of discipline into the trust?
05:26Can he stop the theft in the trust?
05:30That should be the way to judge him
05:33whether he succeeds as a CEO or not succeed as a CEO.
05:36Whatever he has done as an officer,
05:38I think that's the past.
05:39Now the future is there.
05:40Okay.
05:41Sanju Verma, if you can hear me
05:43and if we have your audio link back,
05:46what is your reading
05:47of what Rashid Alvi says
05:49or Imran Masood,
05:50again, senior Congress Party leader
05:52and member of parliament, Imran Masood,
05:54he says,
05:55running a temple is the job of saints and priests
05:58and air marshal is someone who flies a plane.
06:01He should have continued flying planes.
06:03He's just got entangled in a web spun by the RSS.
06:10Pankhuri Pathak says,
06:11that's not our statement,
06:13not our official statement.
06:14All we want to see is a forensic audit
06:17of Chandachori
06:18and how that money will be brought back.
06:22Gaurav, am I audible now?
06:24Strength five, go ahead, ma'am.
06:26Okay.
06:27So my first point is this.
06:29Rashid Alvi is a senior Congress leader
06:31and for anybody from the Congress Party
06:33to say,
06:34oh, that was his personal remark.
06:35That's not the official position
06:37of the Congress Party.
06:38That's a whole lot of hogwash.
06:40Do you remember
06:41there's a man called Sandeep Dixit,
06:42the son of former
06:43Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dixit?
06:45Sandeep Dixit called
06:47former CDS.
06:48Bipin Rawat Sadak Ka Gunda
06:51and what did Rahul Gandhi
06:52and the Darbari Ecosystem say?
06:54Ari, ye toh Sandeep Dixit ka
06:55personal statement hai.
06:57Sam Pitroda,
06:58who runs overseas Congress,
06:59said South Indians look like Africans
07:02and East Indians look like Chinese
07:04being so racial in his comments.
07:07But what did the Darbari Ecosystem say?
07:09Ye toh Pitroda ke personal comments hai.
07:11So the limited point is,
07:12Rashid Alvi said something
07:14and if you are saying
07:15that was his personal statement,
07:16what action is the Congress Party
07:19going to take against Rashid Alvi?
07:20Point number one.
07:21Point number two,
07:22please understand Gaurav.
07:24Rashid Alvi and Imran Masood
07:26are repeat offenders.
07:27Do you remember
07:28after Tahir Hussain was convicted
07:30by the court,
07:31what did Imran Masood say?
07:33Ye toh Tahir Hussain ke jaga,
07:35yadi inka naam kapil hota na,
07:38toh kabhi court inko kanwikthi nahi karti.
07:41And the entire Darbari Ecosystem
07:43was clapping from the sidelines.
07:44So the limited point I'm making is,
07:47what is the big deal
07:48if former Air Marshal Jitendra Mishra
07:51has been made the CEO
07:53of the Ram Jatma Bhumi Mandil Trust?
07:56Because I'll just give you two examples.
07:58No, but if I may,
07:59okay, go ahead.
08:01Yes, my only limited point is this.
08:06There have been instances in the past
08:09when professionals have been
08:11given political positions.
08:13Do you remember a man
08:14called Ashwani Kumar?
08:15He was the head of CBI
08:18and the Congress made him
08:20the governor of Nagaland.
08:22Do you remember a man
08:23called Nikhil Kumar?
08:24He was the head
08:26of National Security Guards, NSG.
08:28And he was made the governor
08:30of Kerala in 2013.
08:33So I fail to understand
08:34if the Congress in the past
08:36has made people
08:38from the armed forces
08:39or other services,
08:41given them political appointments,
08:43how is it that Jitendra Mishra
08:44being appointed
08:45in the highest body
08:47of the Ram Mandil Trust
08:48has raised such a stink?
08:51I simply don't understand
08:52the hypocrisy.
08:54And my final point is
08:55this Gaurav 10 seconds more.
08:5710 seconds more.
08:58When the surgical strike happened,
09:00the Congress ecosystem said
09:02this is the blood of the dalali.
09:04Fair enough.
09:04But you know,
09:05what you haven't answered
09:06is the question that
09:07Pankhuri Pathak raised,
09:08ma'am.
09:09Forensic audit
09:10and daanchori,
09:11how will the daan
09:12be brought back?
09:13That's what devotees
09:14are more interested in
09:16as is the opposition.
09:17that question
09:18hasn't been answered.
09:21Gaurav,
09:22tell me one thing.
09:23You know,
09:24the Congress asks
09:25the BJP
09:26and the RSS questions
09:27on Ram Mandil Trust.
09:29The moment the whistleblower
09:30made the allegations
09:32and SIT was formed
09:33by the Yogi Adityanath government,
09:35more than 16 people
09:37were arrested,
09:38FIRs were lodged,
09:40Champat Rai,
09:41Anil Mishra
09:41are no longer a part
09:43of the governing
09:44trustee board.
09:45There is a new CEO today
09:47who is in place,
09:47but tell me,
09:48the gold story
09:49at Sabrimala
09:51happened in 2011.
09:53Who was the chief minister
09:54in 2011 in Kerala?
09:56A man called
09:57Umar Chandi
09:58from the Congress Party.
09:59After 15 years,
10:01again you have
10:02VD Satishan
10:03as the Kerala
10:04chief minister
10:05from Congress
10:06and do you know
10:06three weeks back
10:07what the Kerala
10:07High Court
10:08told VD Satishan?
10:09Why have you not
10:11filed FIRs?
10:12Why have you not
10:13constituted an SMP?
10:15Why have you not
10:16made any correction?
10:16You want to quickly respond?
10:18There is a direct
10:18counter-attack
10:19or a counter-charge
10:21being levelled
10:21by the BJP
10:23on the Congress
10:24accusing the Congress
10:25of double standards.
10:26The questions you raised,
10:27has she answered them
10:28to your satisfaction
10:29and respond to the point
10:30she has raised
10:31before I bring in
10:32Sujatha Pathak
10:32into this conversation?
10:34Well, I understand
10:36the BJP has
10:37its own agenda
10:38and they are going
10:39to unnecessarily
10:41talk about
10:42the statements
10:43given by a few people.
10:44Interestingly,
10:45I was just seeing
10:46Imran Masood's statement
10:47and he is saying
10:48exactly what
10:49Mahant Raju Das,
10:50who we all know
10:52is close to the BJP
10:53saying.
10:53So people are
10:54going to have
10:55their own opinions
10:56but the Congress
10:56on the other end
10:57I would say
10:58we are rather
10:59we think this is a step
11:00in the right direction
11:02appointing an Air Force
11:04veteran
11:04it could be
11:05a good step
11:06in restoring
11:08the trust
11:09in the management
11:09because earlier
11:10the people
11:11who were leading
11:12the original trust
11:13they were people
11:15from the RSS
11:16from the Sangh Parivaranvi
11:18also what they did.
11:20The kind of corruption
11:21but you haven't
11:21answered the question
11:22that Sanju Verma
11:23asked
11:24you haven't answered
11:25the question
11:25that Sanju Verma
11:26specifically asked
11:27when there are
11:28allegations of temple
11:29of danchori
11:30in a Congress
11:31ruled state
11:32that is where
11:33the Congress
11:33is being accused
11:34of double standards
11:36ma'am.
11:39Pankhuripada.
11:40Are you asking
11:43that question to me?
11:44Yes.
11:47I think the BJP
11:48has no right
11:49to question us
11:50when the corruption
11:52that has come out
11:53in the case
11:54of the Ram Mandir
11:55was carried
11:55under the nose
11:56of the people
11:57handpicked
11:57by the Prime Minister
11:58himself.
11:59when these
12:00were the people
12:00who were RSS
12:02and Sangh Parivar
12:02functionaries
12:03and they have
12:05still not answered
12:06they have not
12:06been held accountable.
12:08So you cannot
12:09you know
12:09when you are not
12:10answering to the public
12:12and when you are
12:12in power
12:13you cannot
12:13you keep on
12:15just asking
12:16questions
12:16while not
12:17really
12:18giving any
12:19not acting
12:20on Sanjeej's
12:22response
12:22Sanju Varma
12:23wants to
12:24quickly respond
12:24Sanju Varma
12:25quickly respond
12:26you respond
12:28okay
12:28Sanju Varma
12:29wants to
12:29respond
12:30yes
12:30it is a classic
12:33case of
12:35being similar
12:36in nature
12:37of the crime
12:38one is
12:39Uttar Pradesh
12:39ruled by BJP
12:40one is
12:41a congress
12:42ruled state
12:42Kerala
12:43one is
12:45Ram Mandir
12:46and the other
12:47Sabarimala
12:47temple
12:48gold theft
12:48how is it
12:49that BJP
12:50ruled state
12:51FIRB
12:52people have
12:53been booked
12:54arrests have
12:55been made
12:55SIT has
12:56been constituted
12:57and the
12:58Kerala
12:58High Court
12:59not Sanju
12:59Varma
13:00has
13:00you know
13:01hauled
13:02VD
13:03Satishan
13:03Congress
13:04government
13:04over the
13:05calls
13:05saying
13:06why no
13:07SIT
13:07due to
13:08the Sabarimala
13:09gold theft
13:09which happened
13:1015 years
13:11back
13:11why no
13:12SIT
13:12why no
13:13people have
13:14been booked
13:14can I
13:15final point
13:16please tell her
13:17to keep
13:17quiet I did
13:18not
13:18answer
13:20can I
13:20finish
13:21Gaurav
13:21this is
13:23not done
13:23I did
13:23not
13:24think
13:24one by
13:24one
13:24my final
13:27point is
13:28this
13:28congress
13:29giving
13:30lectures
13:30to BJP
13:32on political
13:32morality
13:33without
13:34resolving
13:35the Sabarimala
13:36gold theft
13:37issue
13:37is absolutely
13:39laughable
13:40and I will
13:40just end
13:41by saying
13:41one thing
13:42to Rashid
13:42Alvi
13:43one minute
13:43he spoke
13:44about
13:44supreme
13:45court
13:45judges
13:46Mr. Rashid
13:49Alvi
13:49do you
13:50remember
13:50a man
13:50called
13:50Ranganath
13:51Mishra
13:51he was
13:52the chief
13:53justice
13:53of India
13:54gave the
13:54congress
13:55party
13:55a clean
13:56shit
13:56in the
13:561984
13:57Sikh
13:57genocide
13:58after which
13:59Ranganath
14:00Mishra
14:00was sent
14:02to the
14:02Rajya
14:02Sabha
14:03by the
14:03congress
14:04party
14:04and Mr.
14:06Rashid
14:06Alvi
14:06do you
14:07remember
14:07last
14:08example
14:08there is
14:09a man
14:09called
14:10Bahrul
14:10Islam
14:11he was
14:12a Rajya
14:12Sabha
14:13member
14:13then made
14:14as the
14:14chief justice
14:15of the
14:15Gauhati
14:16high court
14:17by the
14:17congress
14:18party
14:18and then
14:19went to
14:20the supreme
14:20court
14:21and then
14:22again sent
14:22to the
14:22Rajya
14:23Sabha
14:23by the
14:23congress
14:24party
14:24so Mr.
14:25Rashid
14:26don't throw
14:27stones
14:27because your
14:28own house
14:29is made
14:29of
14:30frail
14:30I'll get
14:30to respond to that
14:32but I want to
14:32quickly bring in
14:33Sujada Pathak
14:33into this
14:34conversation
14:34because
14:35either ways
14:36whether you
14:37look at
14:37Sabri Malai
14:37or you
14:38look at
14:39Ayodhya
14:39it's the
14:40devotees
14:40who are
14:41one at
14:42the receiving
14:43end
14:43two
14:44your
14:44reading of
14:45M.
14:45Marshall
14:45Jitendra
14:46Mishra's
14:46appointment
14:47is it a
14:48step towards
14:49professionalism
14:49and transparency
14:50but then
14:51the opposition
14:52says what
14:53are his
14:54powers
14:54if he's
14:55still
14:55reporting
14:56to the
14:56trust
14:57he's been
14:58appointed
14:58CEO
14:59what is
15:00his
15:00defined
15:00authority
15:02so you've
15:04come to me
15:04at the last
15:05and my name
15:05is Sujada
15:06Pandey
15:06so I think
15:07you got
15:08confused with
15:08Pankhari
15:09Pathak
15:09so let's
15:10just take
15:11your questions
15:11one by one
15:12first is
15:13I think to
15:14question
15:14Ayam
15:15Marshall's
15:15appointment
15:16of decorated
15:17officer
15:17people who
15:18could not
15:18win a
15:19medal in
15:20their school
15:20and to
15:21question
15:22someone
15:22who has
15:23defended
15:23Indian
15:24skies
15:24for all
15:25his
15:25life
15:26is
15:26actually
15:26shows
15:27political
15:27desperation
15:28and moral
15:28bankruptcy
15:29you know
15:30people of
15:30India may
15:31have
15:31ideological
15:32preferences
15:32they might
15:33support this
15:33party or
15:34that party
15:34but I am
15:35very sure
15:36that the
15:36people of
15:36this country
15:37are very
15:37much with
15:38the people
15:38of the
15:39army
15:40and the
15:40air force
15:41and they
15:41know that
15:41people who
15:42defended us
15:43in every
15:43time
15:44should not
15:45be questioned
15:45I think
15:46when it
15:46comes to
15:47discipline
15:47and transparency
15:48army
15:49air forces
15:50navy comes
15:51first and
15:51that is why
15:52must be
15:53going on the
15:53minds of
15:54the committee
15:54when they
15:55selected him
15:55out of
15:565500 applicants
15:57after two
15:58months of
15:59rigorous
16:00scrutiny and
16:01AI examination
16:03of the past
16:03so that is
16:04one
16:04then secondly
16:05they do
16:05question that
16:06air marshal
16:07I think the
16:07congress has
16:08got short
16:08term memory
16:09loss
16:09probably perhaps
16:10Ghazmi is
16:10running too
16:11much in their
16:11mind
16:11you remember
16:12someone called
16:13Lieutenant General
16:14Nirbhai Sharma
16:142013 Congress
16:16appointed as
16:17governor of
16:17AP
16:18who succeeded
16:19another
16:19Lieutenant General
16:20retired
16:20Joginder
16:21Jashwan Singh
16:22who was also
16:23in the army
16:24so when it
16:24comes to
16:25congress I think
16:25everything is
16:26okay but
16:26when it comes
16:27to BJP
16:27they do not
16:28have any
16:29issues to
16:30talk about
16:31so they are
16:31talking about
16:32why is this
16:33and it's
16:33very you know
16:35I would say
16:35very pass of
16:36Pankhuni
16:37Patek to
16:37say that
16:38Rashid Alvi
16:38has his own
16:40political opinion
16:41so what about
16:42Ajay Rai
16:43is Ajay Rai
16:44also not part
16:44of the congress
16:45what about
16:46Imran Masood
16:46because Imran
16:47Masood as per
16:49my knowledge
16:49is heading
16:49the UP
16:51congress
16:51entire campaign
16:52and he is
16:52very close
16:53to Priyanka
16:53Gandhi
16:53so whatever
16:54Imran Masood
16:55says I
16:55would take it
16:56as what
16:56is the
16:57opinion of
16:57Priyanka
16:58Gandhi
16:58itself
16:58then coming
16:59to your
17:00second
17:00question
17:00let me
17:02for a moment
17:03also bring
17:03in Ashutosh
17:04on this
17:05just second
17:06I have only
17:07answered one
17:08part
17:08you came to
17:08me last
17:08and then
17:09you said
17:10that at
17:10the end
17:10whether it's
17:11Ram Bandeer
17:12or Sabri
17:12Mala
17:12is the
17:13devotees
17:14who are
17:15at the
17:15peril of
17:16all this
17:16but yes
17:17but the
17:18question is
17:18raised by
17:19congress
17:20is that
17:20what happened
17:21to the
17:21donation
17:21made by
17:22devotees
17:22which
17:23devotee
17:23people who
17:24believed
17:24in Ram
17:25or people
17:25who said
17:26Ram
17:26is a
17:26fictional
17:26character
17:27has
17:28Rahul
17:28Gandhi
17:28ever visited
17:29Ram
17:29temple
17:30that he
17:30has donated
17:31even one
17:31rupees
17:31to the ring
17:32all that
17:34Rahul
17:35Gandhi
17:35and Achilles
17:36Shado's
17:36party did
17:37was to
17:37mock
17:38sadhus
17:38they are
17:39saying
17:39the trust
17:40should have
17:59sadhus
17:59when the
18:00financial
18:00misappropriation
18:01case came
18:02out
18:02the
18:02SIT
18:03was
18:04constituted
18:04people were
18:05arrested
18:05and the
18:06court is
18:06also
18:07the
18:07Supreme Court
18:07is also
18:08looking for
18:08this case
18:09so I
18:09think we
18:09should not
18:10wait for
18:10for the
18:11to come
18:12out
18:12than to
18:13just
18:13it's
18:14politics
18:14the
18:15double
18:16standards
18:16between
18:17Sabrimala
18:17and Ayodhya
18:18point 1
18:19point 2
18:20there is a
18:21pattern to
18:21these statements
18:22as Ms.
18:23Pandey points
18:23out
18:23whether it's
18:25Rashid Alvi
18:26and Imran
18:27Masood
18:27Udet Raj
18:28Ajay Rai
18:29Udet Raj
18:30for example
18:30calls selection
18:31a drama
18:32saying 5500
18:33applications
18:34multiple rounds
18:35conducted
18:35on what
18:36basis
18:37you know
18:37is the
18:38Congress
18:39saying
18:39all of
18:40this is
18:40drama
18:42see
18:43every
18:45political
18:46party
18:46has these
18:46kind of
18:47people
18:47who speak
18:48beyond
18:48the party
18:49framework
18:49so nobody
18:50should
18:51have
18:52complained
18:52on that
18:53BJP
18:53has their
18:54own
18:54people
18:54and the
18:54Congress
18:55has their
18:55own
18:55people
18:55I'm not
18:56interested
18:56into that
18:57neither
18:57I'm
18:57interested
18:58in
18:58comparison
18:58that
18:59somebody
18:59has been
18:59appointed
19:00to the
19:00constitutional
19:00position
19:01and somebody
19:01has been
19:02appointed
19:02to the
19:02religious
19:02place
19:03these
19:03are
19:03again
19:03two
19:03different
19:04things
19:04let's
19:04not
19:04confuse
19:04issues
19:05about
19:05the
19:06Sabrimala
19:07the
19:07Congress
19:08does
19:08not owe
19:09to
19:09Sabrimala
19:10temple
19:10for the
19:11rise
19:11in
19:11politics
19:12in
19:12Kerala
19:12but
19:13BJP
19:13owes
19:13everything
19:14to
19:15Ram
19:15Mandir
19:15temple
19:15and Ram
19:16Mandir
19:16movement
19:16to reach
19:17where
19:17they are
19:18the issue
19:18is very
19:19simple
19:19what is
19:19the issue
19:20and what
19:21is the
19:21responsibility
19:21of the
19:22NIOCO
19:22that in
19:232020
19:25when
19:25Mahipal
19:26Singh
19:26brought
19:27into the
19:28knowledge
19:28of
19:28Champat
19:29Rai
19:29that
19:30something
19:30is
19:30happening
19:31over
19:31there
19:31did
19:31an
19:32action
19:32did
19:33Champat
19:33Rai
19:33and the
19:34trust
19:34acted
19:34on that
19:35no
19:35it did
19:35not
19:36then the
19:36audit
19:37report
19:40protocol
19:40to look
19:41into
19:41things
19:42the
19:42protocol
19:42was
19:43never
19:43managed
19:44and
19:44then
19:44the
19:45land
19:45scam
19:45happened
19:45again
19:45in
19:462020
19:46to
19:46something
19:47like
19:47that
19:47SIT
19:48was
19:49constituted
19:49nobody
19:50knows
19:50what
19:50happened
19:51into
19:51the
19:51SIT
19:51nobody
19:52has
19:52seen
19:52the
19:52report
19:53so
19:54I
19:54think
19:55to
19:55restore
19:55the
19:56fate
19:56of
19:56the
19:56devotees
19:57into
19:57the
19:57trust
19:58and
19:58also
19:59that
20:00everything
20:00is
20:00alright
20:01then
20:02the
20:02new
20:03CEO's
20:03job
20:03is
20:04to
20:04look
20:04into
20:04the
20:04complaints
20:05of
20:05Mahipal Singh
20:05to
20:06look
20:06into
20:07why
20:07the
20:07audit
20:07when
20:08recommended
20:09for the
20:09protocol
20:09it did
20:10not
20:10happen
20:10and
20:11why
20:11the
20:11land
20:11scam
20:12was
20:12not
20:12investigated
20:13the
20:13report
20:13did
20:13not
20:13come to
20:13unless
20:14you do
20:15that
20:16the
20:16restore
20:16the
20:17duties
20:18will not
20:18restore
20:19fair enough
20:20Sanju
20:20Varma you
20:20want to
20:20go first
20:21quickly respond
20:21to the
20:22points
20:22that
20:23Ashutosh
20:23raises
20:26Gaurav my
20:26limited
20:27rebuttal to
20:28Ashutosh
20:28and everybody
20:29on the other
20:29side of
20:30the fence
20:30is this
20:32I'm
20:32fine
20:33let's
20:33have a
20:33forensic audit
20:34of all
20:35the
20:35donations
20:36into
20:36Ram
20:36Mandir
20:37but let's
20:37also have
20:38a forensic
20:38audit of
20:39Sabrimala
20:39temple
20:40theft
20:40let's
20:41have a
20:41forensic
20:42audit of
20:42all the
20:42temples
20:43in India
20:43but let's
20:44also have
20:44a forensic
20:45audit of
20:46the over
20:464 lakh
20:47mosques
20:48and masjids
20:49in India
20:49let's
20:50have a
20:51forensic
20:52audit of
20:53you know
20:54every single
20:55political
20:56appointee to
20:57any temple
20:58but let's
20:59also have a
20:59forensic audit
21:00and a
21:01strict background
21:02check of
21:02every political
21:03appointee to
21:04every masjid
21:05in India
21:05and I
21:06want to
21:06ask Rahul
21:07Gandhi
21:07one thing
21:08Rahul
21:09Gandhi
21:09you went
21:10to the
21:10supreme court
21:11in 2007
21:12saying
21:12this is a
21:16figment of
21:16BJP's
21:17imagination
21:17then you
21:19went to
21:19supreme court
21:20saying
21:20Ram
21:21Setu
21:21never existed
21:22this is a
21:23figment of
21:24BJP's
21:24wild imagination
21:25Rahul
21:27Gandhi
21:27you kept
21:28quiet
21:28when your
21:29then alliance
21:29partner
21:30Udyanidhi
21:31Stalin said
21:32Sanatan
21:32Dharma is
21:33equal to
21:33dengue
21:34malaria
21:34rabies
21:35covid
21:35and Rahul
21:37Gandhi
21:37have you
21:38visited
21:38Ram
21:39Mandir
21:39no
21:39you
21:41are a
21:44political
21:45scavenger
21:46you are a
21:47political
21:48buncher
21:49okay
21:49ma'am that's
21:50a very
21:51strong word
21:51but Panthuri
21:52Padak wants
21:52to respond
21:52to you
21:52go ahead
21:53ma'am
21:53Sanju
21:54Sanju
21:54Verma
21:54Ji is
21:55going to
21:55deflect
21:56from
21:56keep on
21:57deflecting
21:57from
21:57the issue
21:58because
21:58that is
21:58what the
21:59BJP
21:59does best
22:00whenever
22:01you will
22:01question
22:02their
22:02corruption
22:03whenever
22:03you will
22:04raise
22:04questions
22:05on the
22:05loot
22:06that
22:06happened
22:06in the
22:06Ram
22:06Mandir
22:07they say
22:07oh don't
22:08question
22:08the army
22:09you are
22:09questioning
22:10the
22:10valor
22:11of our
22:11soldiers
22:12well
22:12clearly
22:13the
22:13congress
22:13has not
22:14raised
22:15any
22:15question
22:15on the
22:16appointment
22:17of
22:18the
22:18CEO
22:19but
22:19they
22:20will
22:20fail
22:20to
22:21answer
22:21what
22:22are
22:22the
22:23next
22:23to
22:25be
22:25unanswerable
22:26for
22:26the
22:26loot
22:27Gaurab
22:27the
22:27BJP
22:28asked
22:28for
22:28votes
22:29in the
22:29name
22:30of
22:30Ram
22:30Mandir
22:31Prime
22:31Minister
22:32Modi
22:32was
22:32in the
22:33forefront
22:34he was
22:34there
22:34in all
22:35the
22:35programs
22:36around
22:36the
22:36Ram
22:36Mandir
22:37now
22:38yes or
22:38Modi
22:39have
22:40for
22:40the
22:41Mandir
22:41so I
22:41think
22:42they need to answer
22:43who is going to be held
22:44and the people of the country
22:47who believe
22:53they don't deserve
22:54they don't deserve an answer
22:55as to where their money went
22:56I don't understand
22:57what's the logic to that
22:58you don't deserve an answer
23:02to why the money was
23:03you know both of you speaking at the same time
23:06nobody will be able to understand a word
23:08so let me bring in
23:09Sujata Pandey
23:10into this conversation
23:12once again
23:12because there is merit in the opposition raising questions
23:16Bhupesh Bhagel for example
23:18he's raised a point
23:20he says
23:21bringing in a former air marshal shows
23:24that the BJP and the RSS
23:26no longer trust their own people
23:29is
23:29air marshal
23:31Mishra's appointment
23:32effectively
23:33an admission
23:34that
23:35the RSS people
23:37or those who were put there earlier
23:39did not come up to the expectations
23:41and that is why
23:42an outsider had to be brought in
23:44a veteran had to be brought in
23:46to manage a temple
23:48what an irony Gaurav
23:50because these are the same people
23:51who were questioning
23:52why people from only Vishu Hindu position
23:54are part of this
23:55that trust
23:55and why independent people
23:57people from the civil societies
23:59are not part of it
24:00and now the people from the civil society
24:02from people
24:02from the army
24:03are coming into it
24:04they are questioning it
24:05the point is
24:06that they have to criticize it
24:07because as politics serves it
24:09but then if they are questioning the Ramadhir
24:11they will also have to answer the Sabrimala
24:13they will also have to answer
24:15and remember the fact that in 1983
24:17there was a theft in the Kashi Vishwanath
24:19the theft
24:20the artifacts and the gold
24:21was stolen during Congress itself
24:23and this is where
24:24after the temple trust was formed
24:26so Congress must remember its history
24:28and then there was also questioned DMK
24:30when they sold
24:31200 kgs of the temple
24:33gold
24:34which is the allegation
24:34for their own schemes
24:37they must question that
24:38and that is why
24:39the Hindus of this country
24:40are saying
24:41that you know
24:41how long the temples
24:43will be under the state control
24:44why will the Sanatan board
24:46not be constituted
24:47so that the mandis could be
24:49but even when there is a board Ashutosh
24:51even when there is a trust
24:53there was unfortunately
24:55daanchori
24:56it just takes away
24:57from that entire campaign
24:58to free temples
24:59when people have their hand in the till
25:02Ashutosh
25:03but there is merit
25:04there is merit
25:05in
25:06in Yogi Adityanath
25:08for example
25:09Yogi Adityanath said
25:10before 2017
25:13Hindus were
25:14in a way
25:15pushed in a corner
25:16they were not even
25:17permitted
25:18as he said
25:19to take out
25:19the Kaavad Yatra
25:20the way they wanted to
25:22Ayodhya was
25:23almost like
25:24not developed
25:25at all
25:26Ayodhya
25:27Mathura
25:27Kashi
25:28Uttar Pradesh
25:29has changed
25:29he says
25:30and that is what
25:31he says
25:31his government
25:32is going to come back
25:33after elections
25:34because Hindus
25:34have now
25:35risen
25:36your reading
25:37see
25:38Gaurav
25:38you remember
25:40why Somna temple
25:41is remembered
25:42till now
25:42because the loot
25:43has happened
25:44and done by
25:45Gajnavi
25:45you know
25:47I dread
25:48that another
25:49another 1000 years
25:50the people will remember
25:51when Ram Mandir
25:52temple was constructed
25:54again the loot
25:55happened
25:55and who said it
25:57the open robbery
25:58everybody knows
25:59I don't know
25:59how to get into this
26:00so BJP should be
26:01aware of the fact
26:02that
26:02whatever has happened
26:04at the Ram temple
26:04is a very very
26:05serious matter
26:06you could not
26:08protect
26:08you could not
26:09protect even
26:10for two years
26:10and those people
26:12the perception
26:12is those people
26:13who are involved
26:14into the looting
26:14they are being saved
26:17no question
26:18be asked
26:18the last 30 seconds
26:20that I have on
26:20this part of the show
26:22Mahmood of Ghazni
26:23looted Somna temple
26:25he desecrated it
26:27and
26:27daanchori
26:28happening at
26:29Ayodhya
26:29is being
26:30compared by
26:30Ashutosh
26:31give me five
26:31seconds at the end
26:33you know
26:34Gaurav
26:34I just want to
26:35tell Ashutosh
26:36one thing
26:37don't forget
26:38that the apple
26:38does not fall
26:39far from the tree
26:40way back
26:41decades back
26:42Nehru wrote to
26:43the then president
26:43Rajendra Prasad
26:44saying don't
26:45attend the grand
26:46ceremony
26:47of the Somnath
26:48temple inauguration
26:49because it
26:49reeks
26:50of Hindu
26:51revivalism
26:52and decades
26:53later
26:53his great
26:54grandson
26:55Rahul Gandhi
26:56says
26:57do you remember
27:00that statement
27:00and this is the
27:02same Rahul Gandhi
27:03who said
27:07that is Rahul Gandhi's
27:09version of
27:10smash the patriarchy
27:12that is Rahul Gandhi's
27:13version of
27:14gender equality
27:15and that is
27:16Rahul Gandhi's
27:17version of
27:18secularism
27:19which is
27:19nothing but
27:20Hindu phobia
27:21which is
27:22dressed as
27:23secularism
27:23and my final
27:25point to Ashutosh
27:25since you raised
27:26the specific
27:27allegation
27:27Pankhuri Pathak
27:28has to respond
27:30okay
27:31do you have to
27:32condemn the
27:33Somnath temple
27:34theft
27:34just five seconds
27:36because Sanju
27:36Warma talked
27:37about the
27:37Somnath temple
27:38inauguration
27:39I would say
27:39the prime minister
27:40was part of
27:42the inauguration
27:42in all the
27:43programs of
27:44the Ram
27:44Mandir
27:44and yet
27:45the Ram
27:46Mandir was
27:46looted by
27:47his own
27:47people
27:48by the
27:48people that
27:49he trusted
27:49and put in
27:50a position
27:50of equality
27:51so what does
27:52it say about
27:52the BJP
27:53what does
27:53it say about
27:54the category
27:54of the
27:56RSS
27:56that you are
27:57going to
27:58not only
27:58loot the
27:59votes in
27:59the name
28:00of Lord
28:00Ram
28:00but you
28:01will
28:01loot
28:02Bhuvan
28:02himself
28:03so
28:04Rada
28:05Pandya
28:05last 30
28:06seconds
28:06last 30
28:07seconds
28:08will the
28:09appointment
28:09of the
28:09new air
28:10marshal
28:10bring about
28:12that
28:12credibility
28:13that
28:13the trust
28:14so desperately
28:15needs
28:16the trust
28:16that the trust
28:17needs
28:17Ms. Pandey
28:19I think who
28:20better than
28:20our air chief
28:22marshal
28:23who has guided
28:23the Indian skies
28:25who has been
28:26in Kargil
28:27who has protected
28:28the country
28:28who has been in
28:29Operation Sindhu
28:30and has done wonders
28:31in the western command
28:32chief
28:32I mean who better
28:33than that
28:34I think
28:34that is what
28:35I said in the
28:36first wing comment
28:37that that must be
28:38the thinking
28:39that let's bring
28:40in someone
28:40who represents
28:41the highest
28:42order of discipline
28:43highest order
28:44of transparency
28:45and that is why
28:45he's been brought
28:46into
28:46he's got a
28:47spotless career
28:48and I think
28:49it is reducing
28:50the army
28:51to a political
28:52you know
28:53discourse
28:53and you know
28:54just for political
28:55gains
28:55I think
28:56it's
28:56fair enough
28:56I will let that
28:57be the last word
28:58I want to thank
28:59all our guests
28:59because I've run
29:00out of time
29:00on this part
29:01of the show
29:01I want to thank
29:02you
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