00:08all right it is tuesday good to have everybody with us we'll see if we can uh wake everybody
00:14up a little bit here get some intensity going rico is back and i have to tell you i i'm
00:20not
00:20not big into getting into people's personal business i think it's important everybody
00:24lives their own life the way they want to but when i find out that you were on a founder's
00:30cruise
00:31that i'm sorry i can't let that go that is tremendous let me tell you the photographs
00:37if you've ever seen wolf of wall street the yacht that's what we're working with it was nice
00:44wasn't mine but it was nice it was absolutely fantastic yeah yeah up and down the detroit
00:50rivers tremendous there was live music david there was a backing band on this thing it was
00:55incredible um i have something special especially for you i did something that i thought was
01:03innocuous yesterday i really didn't think it was that big of a deal and that's maybe i'm just
01:09not seeing the board clearly and all of a sudden we had full lines on it was about college football
01:14oh boy and no no no no no you were blamed for none of it um thank you thank you
01:20but this is
01:21something where i talked about you know i feel like it's there's no hype there's no sizzle nobody
01:27really cares and it was weird because people calling agreed and they were like yeah i don't feel the way
01:33i used to and then you know the texters went on one about well it's because state's bad guys state's
01:39been bad my whole adult life and i college football is my favorite sport so why don't we try again
01:44you
01:45drooling idiots but let me do this uh we got into part of the reason people are upset with or
01:52lacking
01:52a love for the game and on the heels of it today espn actually had something interesting which is rare
02:00usually it's just breakdown of the fights in the wnba no i was gonna say usually it's a cavalcade of
02:05wnba
02:06garbage but it's not i wanted to do this for you and the guys and it's illuminating for people we'll
02:13get to the tigers at three it is this wide-ranging piece where they talk to college general managers
02:21and coaches about what actual nil is like and they have the price ranges for all the
02:29the positions and it is um it's stunning it is so i can read to you some of this i'm
02:38not gonna go
02:39crazy if you want to to read it in full i encourage you to do it because it'll give you
02:44a good level set
02:45for the actual sport but like kyle whittingham is quoted in here and i actually agree with him on this
02:50he says i can tell you right now with nil rising 30 40 a year it's not sustainable if we
02:58stay on the
02:59path we're on i brought up yesterday if you want to win the national championship you need to be
03:04spending right now between 40 and 48 million dollars texas is kind of that top of the pops
03:11at 48.5 yeah but it was interesting some of the quotes in here here's an accgm you hear and
03:19read so
03:19much about everyone having 40 million dollar rosters and every tackle's making two mil and
03:24every corner's making one mil etc that's not reality here's what the ranges are so i'm going to
03:32start with you we'll have some fun with this and david paul you guys want to jump in do it
03:36it's
03:36educational no one's yelling about this the range for quarterbacks and and don't don't do the outlier
03:43thing of arch manning okay you know the general range for a quarterback what do you think it's
03:48between i'm thinking quarterback probably between one and a half three million you're in one to three
03:55million oh now yes you know darian mensa it was a bit of an outlier unprecedented deal with miami
04:01that approached eight million dollars there's word and i'll get to it later here there's quotes from
04:08industry people saying that jeremiah smith might be making as much as 10 million this year
04:13but see that makes sense he's a one of one no no but and think about this what did you
04:18not hear
04:18coming from columbus this entire offseason he's flirting with any team that means ohio state took
04:24care of him took care of him well yes son here's the money up front nobody's gonna top this you
04:30like
04:30being a buckeye let's be a buckeye for life how about this quote from a big 12 gm if you've
04:35got a million
04:36dollar starting quarterback they're probably an inexperienced guy okay i say that again in my good
04:46ear yeah hold on hold on no no lean in if you've got a million dollar starting qb they're probably
04:53an
04:53inexperienced guy at this juncture said a big 12 gm okay you did say that i did i did and
05:00it's it's
05:01funny because it's true it did it is it is true and and let me just say this i know
05:08i ruined i've
05:09said this isn't sustainable they need to get a hold of this now before it goes out of control
05:15sounds like everybody is complaining but nobody's willing to step up and just say no we're not doing
05:20this anymore but wow running you're right a one million dollar quarterback is is a bomb you got from
05:26division three typical range for a running back anybody want to venture a guess
05:31have some fun with this typical range i'll say half a mil paul you hit the median brother 300 to
05:40800
05:40grand okay one of the quotes if you want the elite you're going to pay 750 to a million for
05:47and we do
05:47not pay running backs uh and we do now another quote from an agent i think half a million to
05:52600 grand
05:53is the sweet spot for a lot of teams where they can get a really good one and feel like
05:57they're not
05:57overpaying 600 grand for a running back wide receivers now take jeremiah smith out take cam
06:02coleman out those are unicorns those are like megalodons those guys are making five seven i there are
06:11reports jeremiah smith was offered 10 million to leave and ohio state had to pony up the general range
06:17for wide receivers if it's anything like nfl is probably a little bit more than running backs
06:23so i'll say like 600 000 400 to a mil okay so you're in the mix okay you're fine okay
06:30um a few
06:32cfp contenders indiana texas tech miami are heading into the season with elite wide receiver duos
06:37gm surveyed agreed 500 to 600 would be their range for a veteran number two receiver so 600 grand gets
06:46you a
06:47veteran number two so david when your son says he's tired this is why you get back out on the
06:53field and do one more rep okay because by the time he's playing those numbers are gonna double
06:57offensive linemen i'm gonna put all together okay what do you think the range is tackles guards the
07:03whole bit i think it goes to a million probably no i'm thinking tackles i know you said all together
07:09but i'm gonna say probably a little bit more you're right because your running back doesn't do well
07:14if you can't block that's why i was thinking close to a million because i was thinking tackles
07:17see nate carter at msu oh boy um i'm gonna say two one to two mil so it's interesting they
07:25say
07:25they're kind of talking about both sides of their mouth here 600 to 1.2 for for tackles 400 800
07:31for
07:31guards but in the same breath one agent is quoted as saying i'm always asking for a million if you
07:38want
07:38to be in the game you've got to be in that range then there are high standards and unicorns like
07:45jordan seton the kid from colorado he's now at lsu 1.5 is the high end you've got bleeping high
07:53school
07:54kids making that 1.5 million for the best tackles on the market so they kind of i guess if
08:00you're a
08:01five star yeah which i would never pay for a high school kid edge rushers half a mil to 1
08:06.2
08:07uh one big 10 staffer quoted as saying i can't imagine what colin simmons or dylan stewart the
08:14kid at south carolina are making for a dylan stewart a limit does not exist that's a quote from
08:21another agent and i know we're not talking outliers but it's that the edge rusher and the old tackle
08:26seems like to me as a position you would pay almost as equal to the quarterback because those guys are
08:33changing the game but okay continue d tackles you know the answer the tackle you know the answer
08:42million there you go the market for them is every bit as strong as edge a big 10 gm said
08:49guys kept
08:49entering the portal later later in the cycle and the market never fell out as more guys went in they
08:56kept getting more money it was nuts close quote i just think derrick carmen so yeah interior guys that
09:03are a high level or more than seven figures a big 12 gm said they're not wrong it's the most
09:08egregious
09:09position they can be average and get paid seven figures it's a function of supply and demand
09:17linebackers david paul anybody want to rifle one through the till here i'll say 300 to 400 grand
09:23that's the low end brother 750 you got it right there that's that's quote the most affordable starters
09:31on defense among general managers and agents yeah if you're in the 700s you're paying a guy who's done
09:38it and started a ton of games an sec gm said i'd say they're probably the cheapest position on defense
09:45by a decent amount if you're getting paid half a mil at linebacker you're not average corners 400 to
09:52900 safeties upwards of a million interesting there it's kind of inverted the corner cheaper
09:58than the safety a big 10 gm said corners interesting to me there's so many of them i feel like
10:04the market
10:04gets tamped down a bit yeah corner was huge last year an agent said but safety was on top this
10:11year
10:11i think it's flipped you know why that makes sense mike because not a lot of kids want to go
10:17into college
10:17being safety everybody wants to be the lockdown shutdown corner look at me whereas yeah if you're
10:23a safety you know you go the caleb downs route and oh okay well i'll get paid that way so
10:29that
10:29that actually makes sense they're also asking corner or safeties to do so much more now like they're
10:34asked to come down and play nickel to play in the slot to cover tight ends makes sense so what
10:39do you
10:40make of it when i when i give you the quotes from gms and i give you what the real
10:45world pricing is now
10:46and again that jeremiah smith thing he's the number one player yeah but the idea of a college kid
10:55making 10 million bucks potentially when i read those to you is any of that surprising it's not
11:02because you talk about jeremiah smith mike but the one that really gets me is is dante more because
11:08he could have gone to the league yeah it may have been the second pick overall so oregon had to
11:14pony up
11:15something to get that kid and in fact he didn't want to be a jet there's the key part if
11:20anything
11:20will make you take money out of your pocket it's the idea of taking the jets money you don't want
11:25to
11:25be a jet but i think he probably got paid as well no i i'm not shocked because that's the
11:31new price of
11:32doing business and sadly it goes up exponentially because you know just a few years ago a kid making
11:40150 000 was considered wow now that's a kicker instead instead of a quarterback so yeah somebody
11:51better get a hold of this but no i am not shocked it is becoming the haves versus the have
11:56-nots i don't
11:57think you're going to get that grassroot team who all of a sudden makes it to the national title game
12:02with a roster of a piddly 12 million i don't think that's going to happen anytime soon in a lot
12:08of ways
12:09it's become baseball you know and we always say it i mean you just have vast majority of teams i
12:16don't even know what you're playing for yeah um but it's it's i think whittingham's comment is the
12:22most interesting thing because you are in a bit of a race against time where is the money coming from
12:28if it's like when people do this discussion of like the dollar versus inflation you're not out
12:33running this 20 30 40 percent year over year over year over year and i don't know if the average
12:40fan
12:40thinks about it cares about i'm not that was the other thing we yesterday i didn't tell anybody how
12:45to feel i didn't ask anybody to feel a certain way you get people triggered it was weird dude it
12:50was
12:51very bizarre um but like for me no i i'm a grown adult i can't separate a college kid who's
12:58not even a
12:59good quarterback making a million dollars like that just seems perverse to me yet i am the same
13:04person i have no problem with players getting paid but you're not rick ross you didn't release an
13:11album how are you making five million dollars you're not even good it there's something wrong when a guy
13:17makes more staying in college than becoming a professional that's the part i get very twisted up
13:24with the only good the only good byproduct of this whole system mike and you talked you just
13:29touched upon and you didn't even realize it you're gonna get better teams because players will stick
13:36around longer it's not just okay i gotta quickly run off to the league you're gonna see guys playing
13:42in in college for five six see i don't want seven years i'm not the person to sell that to
13:47like the
13:48justin flows of the world who are in year eight buddy you can have that but no i i want
13:54to just
13:54as you re-entered the studio i saw this and i go all right i want to see if any
14:00of this surprised you
14:01and i didn't think it would you're more versed in it than me but man when you read the quotes
14:06you can
14:06tell these gms are all scrambling and david i see you it's halves versus half nots and that's the key
14:11is
14:12you don't want to be a half not because you're just going to get fired 248-539-9797 david we'll
14:18get
14:18some texts and stuff i know we're over time 97 one okay
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