00:04Hi Peter. Hi, a pleasure to meet you. Hi, congratulations for your work. In the beginning,
00:11money, survival, resistance. What does Doc Tiff say about America today?
00:18It's a good one. I gotta be careful. I gotta be careful to answer it.
00:23Uh, well, it's about, it's about mistrust and it's about truth. It's, it's a story about
00:31a place where everybody's stealing and everybody's lying. So it feels okay to steal and it feels okay
00:38to lie. And these guys are trying to kind of take their cut from the chaos. And it's easy to
00:42justify
00:43because all these agreements in society seem to have broken down to the point that you can capitalize
00:48on the chaos. But the arc of the story becomes about how can you really survive with all this
00:54lying and uncertainty? And at some point you've just got to figure out who you actually are and what
01:01the truth actually is. Um, so, you know, shooing all the bigger things about talking about corruption
01:09and bigger sociopolitical things, which are all there, uh, but they're not there in a heavy handed
01:14way. I would say that really at its core, the story is just about saying like, what is the truth,
01:22you know, and how all of these various symbols are breaking down. There's a great line at one
01:28point I like, I shouldn't call it a great line cause I wrote it, but whatever. There's a,
01:31there's a good line where Ray says we have to be extra professional because people don't respect
01:35that badge like they used to. And to me, it kind of sums everything up because it's every single
01:40norm is breaking down. Every role is breaking down. At one point we talk about even money is just an
01:45agreement. How much longer is money going to be worth anything? So it's, it's very much centered in
01:51that moment of chaos. Uh, Brian Wagner remained me of Batch Cassidy, uh, Sanders. Yeah. Do you agree?
02:02Uh, did you have a, uh, auto reference? Yes. Yeah, we did. Definitely. Um, that is similar and you
02:11know, it's funny because I talk all the time about seventies movies and I'm obsessed with it. I'm
02:16obsessed with, you know, Peck and Paw and I'm obsessed with all, you know, I love Paul Newman movies
02:22basically. I love, so it's, uh, I, we did think of them as that, but we also thought we put
02:31a lot of
02:31emphasis on the trauma bonding and the codependency between the two of them. And there was an awful
02:37lot about their backstory that they kind of become brothers back in juvenile detention. And that's a
02:44particular kind of love because you're, you can't escape the trauma at the same time that you're
02:48bonded to it. So they're chained together in a way that, uh, is problematic for both of them at the
02:54same
02:54time. They love each other. Right. Ray wants to save everyone except himself, but today we are all
03:03more selfish. Do you think about it? Yeah, that's Ray. That's how Ray is as a problem solver. He's kind
03:10of a, he's sort of the micromanager and he thinks he can manage his way out of every situation. Um,
03:17and he is, uh, he's your kind of classic codependent. He's going to do everything for everybody else
03:22first before he even thinks of himself, but he, uh, it, it hurts him. It hurts him badly throughout
03:28the whole thing. He actually loses track of himself along the way because of it. Um, are we more
03:33selfish today? Yeah, I, I think you're probably right, but I think we may be entering an era where
03:39we're not, uh, we're not allowed to be anymore. We're going to, we're going to have to start looking
03:43after each other. So I, I, and I think the message of this at the end is you've got all
03:48these very
03:48lonely, isolated characters trying to find some kind of connection, connections form that you
03:53wouldn't expect over the course of this. Um, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. It
03:59was a pleasure. Bye. Bye. Ciao. Thank you.
