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Is there really a 'Christian genocide' in Nigeria? Suleiman Kolo meets up with young victims of the violent conflicts in Northern Nigeria to ask: Is religion driving the violence — or is there something else at play?

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00:00Hello everybody. We are having a quick and easy street debate where we're asking the question should the U.S.
00:06intervene militarily in Northern Nigeria and if actually there's a genocide, Christian genocide in Nigeria. So I'm going to start
00:11with you Paul. Do you think there's a Christian genocide in Nigeria?
00:15I'm 100%. I strongly believe there is an attempted genocide and the killing of Christians in Nigeria, particularly in the
00:23Northern Nigeria. I was in my village when the first attack happened in my village around 2017, 2016 or thereabouts
00:29when our relatives and our friends were killed by the headers.
00:33Alright, so I'm going to come to you Nana. Do you actually believe there's a Christian genocide in Nigeria?
00:38No, especially from what he said. He said he's from Benway state, right? This same Benway is something that when
00:43you as a Muslim you're going there, you have to disguise to be a Christian before you can enter the
00:47state entirely.
00:48So you believe the Muslims are actually on her life too?
00:51Yes, a lot. About five Muslims were slaughtered without any question or like where are you coming from. As much
00:58as you are wearing something that makes you look like a Muslim, they will just slaughter you without any remorse.
01:04Alright, so I'll come to you Adams. Now, why do you think the Muslims are underreporting their own genocide?
01:12The Muslims are trying their best to report their genocide or their incidents in terms of their villages.
01:20Some of the people from their villages, they don't even have networks so that they can present their incidents or
01:26what is happening in their villages.
01:27Some international media that's supposed to go deep into their villages to go and report the actual what is happening
01:34so that the world can convince and see what is happening.
01:39They are underreporting.
01:41We actually believe that the media is undermining and underreporting for the Muslims.
01:45I'll come to you.
01:49Yes, in the process of carrying out the act, most of the times they recite whatever they have to recite.
01:55Yeah, Allah or something like that.
01:57So if my colleague here is trying to say there is actually a targeted Christian of Muslims, sorry, the killing
02:03of Muslims, is there any situation or a process or an instance where Muslims are being killed and the Christians
02:10or the mention of whatever recitation like the name of Jesus, I'm killing you in the name of Jesus.
02:15Has it ever happened?
02:16This is a strategic target at the killing of Christians.
02:19Stephanie and Rabilu, I'm coming to you, but you raised your hands and you wanted to say something.
02:25Were you in disagreement with what he said?
02:27So like they started bombing places, putting places on fire simply because we don't even know why, just on bikes.
02:34So like why would you say they came from Christians?
02:37Meanwhile, they were killing everybody.
02:38Right.
02:39And back to what he said about saying they have slangs, Allahu Akbar and something.
02:45Right, I was coming to that.
02:46Yes.
02:46So simply because they are using that slant doesn't mean that they are Muslims.
02:51Both me and him don't know whether they are Muslims or not.
02:54Some people have argued saying that there are places where if you earn a life, people, you have a reward
03:00for it.
03:00How true is that statement?
03:02No, no.
03:03Even if they are infidels, right?
03:06No, in the Quran, I don't know the chapter, I don't know the verse though, but it is not allowed
03:13for you as a Muslim to kill another religion.
03:18Allah gave you the life and gave him the life too.
03:22So we don't care whether we are a Christian or a Muslim.
03:24As long as you are a human being like me, Muslim law do not allow us to kill anybody.
03:29Um, something of recent happened in September where terrorists entered and attacked a church.
03:35I don't know specifically the states.
03:37They attacked a church, right?
03:39But do you know that in that same month, the news of terrorists attacking a church went viral.
03:45But in that same month, same thing happened in a mosque where about seven lives were unalived.
03:50Meanwhile, about 10 were kidnapped and few were injured.
03:54And nobody, nobody said anything about that.
03:57And that happened in the same month.
03:59Right.
03:59I think we are almost rounding up with this round, but let me hear from you.
04:04I want her to correct something for me.
04:06She said, um, there is no portion or no section of Quran that actually supports the unaliving of the infidels.
04:12So I don't know if she's familiar with the Quran, but if she's familiar, I would want her to read
04:17Quran, sorry, chapter 9, verse 5.
04:20So we can just, just get it straight away.
04:24What does he say?
04:53She should recite it because she's a Muslim.
04:55That's what you pick from that statement.
04:56That's what you tend to believe.
04:58But do you look at what the insight of that particular report, what is he saying?
05:04You know, not just look at one statement of, of that.
05:07And also going back to regarding the issue of media, I think, I think the language barrier is an issue
05:12for us, right?
05:13Try to pick people randomly and try to communicate with them.
05:17I said, hey, can you just tell me, just tell me about yourself in English.
05:20They might find it difficult to express themselves.
05:22But if you look at the media, you know, a lot of people are putting in content in Hausa language,
05:27which the international body doesn't look at as a fact.
05:30This should bring us to the last round where we ask for the solutions for this problem in Nigeria.
05:37So I'm going to start with you, Nana.
05:39I know your mouth has been itchy to say something, but what is the solution?
05:44What do you think Nigeria can actually do right now to solve its problem right now?
05:48We have to.
05:50This one is within us, the citizens.
05:52We have to stop this blame game and face reality because we are both getting attacked.
05:58We are both getting killed.
06:00We are both getting raped in this.
06:01So I think it's just two solutions.
06:04One is within ourselves.
06:05And then the second one is our government showing us that, yes, our government will work for us.
06:11Interesting point.
06:12So, Paul, what would you say is your own solution?
06:16There is a need to actually initiate a peace negotiation between the victims of this attack.
06:23There are people who have been wounded.
06:25And again, enlightenment, just like she rightly said, there is a need for us to just enlighten ourselves,
06:31know how to hold the government of the day accountable because it's our rights.
06:36Well said.
06:37I'm going to come to you, Adams.
06:38Now, what would you say is actually the solution for Nigeria right now?
06:43The solution for Nigeria right now about insecurity for me, number one, let's prioritize the welfare of the armed forces
06:49in Nigeria.
06:50How much are they giving them salary?
06:52Look at the way how they are struggling for their lives and their families.
06:56Well said.
06:57And I'm going to ask you, what do you think is the solution right now?
07:02What mention, actually, in terms of taking care of the victims of this problem?
07:07So I think for me it's holding the government accountable as well as others mentioned.
07:12I hear you.
07:13But now you said something, holding the government accountable.
07:17And I'm curious, how can we hold them accountable?
07:19We can hold them accountable by calling them out through a proper channel like media.
07:24This is what is happening in my community.
07:25And I want this thing to stop.
07:27And when I vote you out, what can you do for me?
07:30And lastly, I will ask Stephanie, don't you think Nigerians have been actually holding the government accountable all these years?
07:39Well, yes, I do feel some Nigerians have been holding the government accountable.
07:44How would you want us to hold Nigerians, the politicians now, or the government accountable right now?
07:50Well, I feel that they should keep on creating awareness about it.
07:55And then just as what has been done, like getting external forces aware of what is happening.
08:02You know, they've been calling out, you see, the United States, like making the world know about it.
08:08All right, thank you very much.
08:10This was really a very heated debate.
08:13Sadly, it has come to an end.
08:15But this conversation has not ended because you people online have a lot to say.
08:19You can join us on our social media platforms as displayed to you on the screen.
08:23My name remains SK until I come your way next time.
08:26See ya!
08:26See ya!
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