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Stefan Molyneux takes on objections to Universally Preferable Behavior as a moral framework. He pushes back against the idea that morality stands on its own, stressing the need for clear definitions in any philosophical talk. When it comes to tying morality to gods or divine sources, he points out that fuzzy claims don't hold up as real arguments. Molyneux questions whether morality can just be about chasing the good, the true, and the beautiful, pulling in examples from religious texts to show the inconsistencies there. He looks back at how Christian morality has fallen short over time and doubts whether theocratic setups really deliver on ethics. In the end, he calls for a straightforward grasp of morality and what UPB means in practice, urging people to check their own biases and lean on real-world evidence in these discussions.
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UPB reduces down to "Morality is being". Or "By the act of living, you prefer life". Or Universal Preference for Being. But even without beings, morality still exists. So morality is God based, and is the rational pursuit of, participation in, and defense of the Good, the True, and the Beautiful (with evil being precisely whatever actively undermines or destroys those ends). Plato would agree. Jesus said, to love God with all your mind heart soul and strength, and love others as yourself, and the whole of the law rests on these two principles. It means to fight for the Good, the True, and the Beautiful - for order. Of course, this can only be done through rationality and power. So, the Good must take the power back. This cannot be done through secular materialism which only reduces to hedonism. People that hear their conscience seek rationality and God more than anything else, because everything else is temporary.
However, Christianity displays false theories. The biggest one is the idea that an innocent person needed to suffer and be sacrificed for evils committed by everyone else. God would never require this because God is 100% good. The reality is that Jesus needed to be killed and resurrected so that His story would be way bigger and spread Goodness to way more p...
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UPB reduces down to "Morality is being". Or "By the act of living, you prefer life". Or Universal Preference for Being. But even without beings, morality still exists. So morality is God based, and is the rational pursuit of, participation in, and defense of the Good, the True, and the Beautiful (with evil being precisely whatever actively undermines or destroys those ends). Plato would agree. Jesus said, to love God with all your mind heart soul and strength, and love others as yourself, and the whole of the law rests on these two principles. It means to fight for the Good, the True, and the Beautiful - for order. Of course, this can only be done through rationality and power. So, the Good must take the power back. This cannot be done through secular materialism which only reduces to hedonism. People that hear their conscience seek rationality and God more than anything else, because everything else is temporary.
However, Christianity displays false theories. The biggest one is the idea that an innocent person needed to suffer and be sacrificed for evils committed by everyone else. God would never require this because God is 100% good. The reality is that Jesus needed to be killed and resurrected so that His story would be way bigger and spread Goodness to way more p...
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00:00Hey everybody, it's the Femme on the Newton Free Domain.
00:02I have a fellow who posts some great questions about UPB, some great objections to UPB.
00:08Always love to talk me some UPB.
00:11So let's dive straight in.
00:13And I'm going to do this bit by bit so that I don't just sort of give you the wall of objections
00:20and then we try and sort it out from there.
00:24So he says, UPB reduces down to, quote, morality is being, or by the act of living you prefer
00:34life, or universal preference for being, but even without beings, morality still exists.
00:41Okay, so here's the thing.
00:42If you're going to tell me what UPB reduces down to, then don't you need to prove that?
00:49UPB reduces down to, morality is being, or by the act of living you prefer life.
00:55Well, that's one argument.
00:57But when you're going to say something reduces down to, you know, this is sort of basic thing.
01:02If you're going to say that, well, 4 16th reduces down to 2 8th, which reduces down to 1 quarter,
01:11you kind of need to, you know, make the case or show how that happens or how that works
01:15or whatever it is, right?
01:16So UPB reduces down to morality, being, or by the act of living you prefer, life, or
01:22universal preference for being.
01:24But even without beings, morality still exists.
01:27So you haven't defined morality, you haven't defined being, and you haven't defined existence,
01:35like what exists or does not exist.
01:38So just so you know, as a whole, when a competent philosopher looks for the opening statement
01:49of your argument, what a competent philosopher is going to look for is definitions and arguments.
01:58Statements do not philosophy make.
02:01Otherwise, UPB would be a pretty short book saying morality is rational, right?
02:09So if you want to be taken seriously, and this is not just like professional philosophy thing,
02:13this is just sort of any, anyone that you're trying to have a debate or an argument with,
02:18you need to define your terms.
02:19So let's just go back and look at what is not defined and or not proven in this opening
02:26to three sentences, two sentences.
02:30UPB reduces down to morality as being, and I don't know what that means, or by the act
02:36of living you prefer life.
02:38Well, there certainly is truth to that.
02:41Somebody who is alive has preferred life to death.
02:46That's almost a tautology, but not quite.
02:50But even without beings, morality still exists.
02:53I don't know what you mean by beings there, because are you saying humanity, rational actors,
03:00rational animals, critters, bacteria, jellyfish, God?
03:06I don't know.
03:07Morality still exists.
03:09I don't know what you mean by exists.
03:12Do you mean that it exists like a tree exists?
03:14Or do you mean that it exists as a concept?
03:19Can the concept exist in the absence of a mind?
03:23So this is, it's, you know, I'm not saying it's incompetent, but it is a failure to sort
03:30of understand and process basic philosophical premises, arguments, requirements, you know,
03:38such as the good old define your term stuff, right?
03:41Anyway, so it goes on.
03:42So morality is God-based and is the rational pursuit of participation in and defense of
03:48the good, the true, and the beautiful.
03:50And you know, philosophy is having a rough time when you go to all, like, the cap philosophy.
03:57The good is capitalized, the true, the T is capitalized, and the beautiful.
04:00So morality is God-based and is the rational pursuit of participation in and defense of
04:09the good, the true, and the beautiful, with evil being precisely whatever actively undermines
04:14or destroys those ends.
04:16Okay.
04:16So, positive language, positive adjectives are not philosophy, putting things in caps
04:24is not, philosophy, punctuation is not, it's not reason.
04:28So morality is God-based.
04:30So you say, UPP reduces down to morality as being, or by the act of living you prefer life.
04:35Okay.
04:36No, it doesn't.
04:37Or universal preference for being.
04:39Don't know what that means.
04:41But even without beings, morality still exists.
04:43So that's just a bunch of statements, and just because you say, therefore, doesn't mean
04:49that something follows.
04:50So, morality is God-based.
04:52It's like, but no, you haven't made an argument.
04:54You've made a bunch of statements, and now you're saying, well, this means that morality
04:58is God-based, right?
05:00Well, that's not, that's not how philosophy works.
05:04If we say that two plus green equals unicorn, therefore my argument is correct, eh, not so
05:09much.
05:10So morality is God-based, and is the rational pursuit of, participation in, and defense of
05:15the good.
05:16Okay, so that's called begging, begging the question, right?
05:20If you are trying to define what morality is, you can't say morality is whatever defends
05:28morality.
05:29Morality is whatever defends the good.
05:31Virtue is whatever defends that which is virtuous, because you're actually trying to define virtue,
05:36and you haven't, you haven't done it, right?
05:38You haven't done it, and therefore putting things in caps doesn't help.
05:43The good, the true, and the beautiful.
05:45Okay, so you haven't defined what the good is, you haven't defined what being is, you
05:52haven't defined what morality is, and you haven't defined what truth is, and you haven't
05:57defined what beauty is.
05:58So, this is just a bunch of positive-sounding, chaotic verbiage that is emotionally driven,
06:07which is why it defies augury, and it defies definition.
06:14Plato would agree, Jesus said, oh, Plato would agree.
06:16So, I could give a living shite what Plato would agree or not agree with, just as Plato, if
06:23he knew me, would not give a living shite what I agreed with or disagreed with.
06:28Argument from authority is not an argument, and Plato, of course, got a lot of things wrong.
06:34Plato thought that the ideal society had no problems with incest.
06:39So, yes, not so much with Plato.
06:42Jesus said to love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, and to love others
06:47as yourself, and the whole of the law rests on these two principles.
06:52Okay?
06:53So, love God with all your mind, heart, soul, and strength?
06:57I'm not sure, but it means to love God.
07:00You haven't defined love.
07:01I mean, I assume we can go with God as the Christian God, as Yahweh, and so on, but you
07:05haven't defined love.
07:06So, one of the challenges in Christianity is the opposing commandments, honor thy mother
07:14and thy father, and thou shalt not bear false witness.
07:18This has really been at the heart of the challenges that I faced in the world as a whole, is these
07:25contradictions.
07:27So, if your parents were mean, vicious, abusive, nasty, evil, to some degree, to, you know, a
07:36then you should tell them the truth about that.
07:39And the Bible says, if someone has wronged you, you must sit down with that person individually
07:44and show them how they've wronged you.
07:45If they do not repent, then you go with a small group of people.
07:48If they still do not acknowledge or repent, then you bring them before the whole congregation.
07:53If they still do not acknowledge and repent, then you ostracize them.
07:58You kick them out of the community.
08:00Jesus also says that he has come to set father against child, family member against family
08:05member.
08:06And so, the idea that you just honor your mother and your father no matter what is not
08:11particularly helpful because if your parents have done you wrong and you care about them,
08:17and we all care about our parents no matter what, right?
08:19If your parents have done you wrong and you care about them, then you should tell them how
08:24they've done you wrong and what they've done that is wrong so that they have the chance
08:27to repent and go to heaven.
08:29There's nothing really more sinister in many ways than colluding to cover up your parents'
08:35sins by complying and not calling them out on the things they did wrong because then
08:39you are damning them to hell.
08:40It's like watching someone you hate who's blind and deaf walking towards a highway and
08:45not doing anything to intervene.
08:47That would be a form of murderousness.
08:49We are supposed to save people from sin.
08:53Abuse of children is a grave sin, according to Christianity.
08:57And so, if we do not tell our parents, if we bear false witness about our parents sinning,
09:02then we dam them to hell, which is, or we permit them to continue on the path to hell, which
09:07is about as horrible a thing as can be imagined.
09:10So, we're supposed to tell the truth to our parents.
09:13You know, these are the principles that I work with.
09:15Number one, tell the truth, which is what I was always told.
09:18So, if someone does me wrong, I tell them the truth about it, try to work it out.
09:22And the other thing is that if your parents can't handle power, like I speak about my
09:27own mother, my own mother cannot handle power, and she has power over me simply by virtue
09:32of being my mother.
09:33And what that means, of course, is that she acts worse when she's around me.
09:39I am sort of like a drug that has her act in really negative ways.
09:43It's not me personally.
09:44It's just who could be any child, right?
09:46Because she can't handle power.
09:47She abuses power.
09:49And so, when I'm around her, she will act in a worse manner than if I wasn't, which would
09:55be like if my mother was a horrible gambling addict and I kept taking her on vacation to
10:03Atlantic City or to Vegas or some Monte Carlo, some other gambling mecca and gave her $10,000
10:10and then she ended up $20,000 in the hole.
10:13And every time I took her on vacation, knowing that she was a gambling addict, I took her
10:19to a gambling mecca and gave her a lot of money.
10:21That would be bad of me, right?
10:23Because I would be causing or provoking the worst possible behavior in her.
10:28And so, like, you know, handing the drunk a drink or the coke addict cocaine and so on.
10:34And so, my mother behaves in a worse manner when I'm around and so the best thing I can
10:40do, the most caring thing that I can do for her is to not be around, to tell her the truth
10:44and to not be around.
10:46And, of course, in a massively Christian society or substantially Christian society, I was attacked
10:54for holding up Christian principles.
10:59And so, it's obviously just sort of be aware of that.
11:01It's a little confusing.
11:03So, what does it mean to love God?
11:04Does it mean to hold sins accountable for their sin and tell them the truth to try and
11:09save them or at least give them a chance to save themselves from the fires of hell?
11:13You know, if you had a kid who had a terrible toothache, you know, just a raging tooth infection,
11:18it was all red and swollen and pus was oozing and so on, would you just say to that kid,
11:22oh, here, just take some aspirin, take some painkillers, take some Tylenol, you'll be fine.
11:28No, you would want to get the child to the dentist and the dentist would poke around and
11:33it would be very painful, but the child would end up being cured in one way or another of
11:39the toothache, the infection, which could be fatal, right?
11:42That bacteria goes down into your heart and very bad things happen from there.
11:47So, if somebody is in a spiritual crisis, if their soul is sick with sin,
11:52and you collude with them to cover up that sin, oh, no, everything's fine, oh, no, you
11:56didn't do anything wrong, oh, hey, let's get together over Thanksgiving, and you act as if
12:01they were not rotting and dying and heading towards hell from their sin, that would be
12:06an act of grave hostility and almost murderousness, right?
12:10So, I wanted to give my chance, I wanted to give my mother and my father and other people,
12:16I wanted to give them the chance to save themselves, to redeem themselves, right?
12:22That would be, that's a kind and nice thing to do.
12:25And, of course, I was castigated for all of that and so on.
12:29So, what does it mean to love God with all your heart?
12:31Does that mean to stop colluding with and enabling sinners regarding their sin?
12:36Does it mean tell the truth?
12:38Or does it mean blindly go along with those who've abused you and thus prevent them from
12:42recovery from sin?
12:45No, nobody can tell me.
12:46So, I don't know what that means.
12:49So, he says, it means to fight for the good, the true, and the beautiful for order.
12:54Of course, this can only be done through rationality and power.
12:57So, the good must take the power back.
12:59Now, see, I don't know what is meant by rationality here.
13:02I don't know what is meant by power here.
13:04So, these are just, all things without definition are just confirmation bias.
13:10That's all that's happening.
13:12Without definition, all that happens is confirmation bias.
13:15So, if you agree with this guy, then you will nod along and it will all make sense to you.
13:21If you don't agree with this guy, then what will you do?
13:25You will frown and recoil and, like, whatever it is.
13:28But you won't just go along with it because everything that is undefined is trying to hit
13:34you in the fields and get you to agree with whatever's being said because of generic
13:39positive language, right?
13:42So, the good must take the power back.
13:45Okay, what does that mean?
13:47People that hear their conscience seek...
13:51Oh, sorry.
13:51This cannot be done through secular materialism, which only reduces to hedonism.
13:57Okay?
13:58Secular materialism only reduces to hedonism.
14:00Again, I think I generally understand what secular materialism is, although we may have
14:05slightly different definitions, are hedonistic pursuits mere short-term pleasure goals, cocaine
14:15and sex and whatever it is now, damn the future, getting drunk because it's fun, forget
14:20tomorrow or your health as a whole.
14:21Or is hedonism what Aristotle talks about, that the end goal of philosophy is happiness, long-term
14:30moral satisfaction and happiness.
14:32So, hedonism, the pursuit of pleasure, well, you don't want morality to be purely masochistic
14:38and just, like, hurting you and all of that.
14:41So, what does that mean, hedonism?
14:44He says, people that hear their conscience seek rationality in God more than anything else
14:48because everything else is temporary.
14:50Okay?
14:51What is a conscience?
14:53And so, again, these are all just interesting, challenging statements that are not defined.
15:01So, he goes on to say, however, Christianity displays false theories.
15:07Ah.
15:08The biggest one is the idea that an innocent person needed to suffer and be sacrificed for
15:12evils committed by everyone else.
15:14Well, see, that's not true.
15:17That's not true.
15:18Because children are formed in a state of sinlessness in most sort of Christian, right?
15:25So, it wasn't everyone else.
15:27It was everyone else who had some sort of moral choice.
15:32So, that's not quite true.
15:34God would never require this because God is 100% good.
15:38The reality is that Jesus needed to be killed and resurrected so that his story would be way
15:43bigger and spread goodness to wear more people and last forever.
15:46So, he did die for sins in that sense alone so that more people would hear his story and turn away from sin.
15:53All right.
15:54That's certainly an interesting theory.
15:57It is a bit of a problem, though, I think.
16:00I mean, it's a number of problems.
16:03One of those problems, of course, is that if the people in Jesus' time needed Jesus to prove his divinity through miracles,
16:13right, then we have the not inconsiderable problem of why doesn't everyone else also need that, right?
16:22So, the people, the disciples and the people who were around in the time of Jesus, well,
16:27they got to see Jesus performing all of these great and wonderful and cool miracles and so on,
16:34and that was required for them to accept his divinity and so on.
16:39So, if it was necessary for people 2,000 years ago to see miracles in order to accept Jesus' divinity,
16:48then why would it not be required for, well, for everyone else, right?
16:57God says, well, I built people to be skeptical, and also we know that people who see things that aren't true,
17:07that aren't real, that aren't there, that those people are insane, right?
17:11They're psychotic.
17:12They have delusions, right?
17:14So, we also know, because it is not God's justice, it is not a just legal system,
17:22if you accept hearsay.
17:26Well, someone said you did it.
17:28Someone said you did it.
17:30Someone said, like, you've got a thousand, like, imagine, you've got a thousand witnesses that say,
17:35oh, yeah, I saw him right there at the baseball game.
17:37He was on the camera.
17:39He was on the kiss cam at the baseball game, and it's absolutely him.
17:42He's got a special scar above his eye.
17:44Like, we know for sure that it's him.
17:46And then one guy says, no, you were killing a guy on the other side of town, right?
17:51And then the judge says, oh, the one guy who said you were killing a guy on the other side of town,
17:56he's correct, and you go to jail, or you get executed for murder, right?
18:00Capital punishment.
18:02Would that make sense?
18:03Well, no.
18:04That would be horribly unjust, because you've got a thousand witnesses,
18:07you've got the recorded camera that you were at a baseball game at the exact time of the killing,
18:12and you could not possibly have been on the other side of town killing a guy when you were at the
18:19baseball game or the sports, whatever, sports ball game.
18:23So, because it's impossible for you to be in two places at the same time.
18:26Now, if you were to say, no, it's a miracle.
18:30You were in two places at the same time.
18:32It's just a miracle.
18:33You say, well, no, you can't base an entire justice system on the acceptance of miracles, right?
18:41So, you would reject that, and God would reject that, and that would be a bad and unjust system.
18:46So, you can't found a system of morality on impossibilities, right?
18:53I mean, alibis are accepted by any rational court system because it's impossible to be in two places
18:58at the same time, right?
19:00So, well, that's that.
19:01All right.
19:02So, how does it make sense that people, in order to make sure that you're not crazy,
19:09other people have to see the miracle?
19:10But if other people have to see the miracle, then why do only those people have to see the miracle,
19:15and for the last couple of thousand years, nobody's really needed to see the miracles directly, right?
19:20All right.
19:21There is no other practical moral framework to turn to.
19:24Philosophy alone is rational, but it does not ground morality the same way God does.
19:28Actually, rationality requires one to accept God.
19:33Without God, people literally have absolutely no reason to be moral at all.
19:37And deism's impersonal God doesn't connect with people.
19:40So, you know, when you say rationality requires one to accept God, okay, so what about God is rational?
19:46What about God is empirical?
19:48God cannot be proven through reason.
19:53God cannot be proven through empiricism.
19:57These are facts.
19:58So, if you're going to say, well, rationality is required, sorry, the opposite of rationality is required in order for there to be rationality,
20:06I would submit that that is not a statement that is even remotely consistent as a whole.
20:12So, I say, nonwithstanding its interpretations, Christianity appears to be the only effective thing people can actually believe in and follow.
20:19Well, I have a problem with that.
20:22And, of course, I want to talk about my emotional experience.
20:29Experiences, right? Experiences.
20:30So, I grew up, I was born in 1966, and I grew up in a very Christian society.
20:40My parents were not particularly Christian, but they were outliers.
20:45We did the Lord's Prayer every morning in school.
20:50We went, I went to church twice a week for years.
20:55And my aunts were all religious, and as far as I knew, the people in my community were religious,
21:04and my teachers were religious, and the families around me were Christian, and so on.
21:10And this was after Christianity had 2,000 years.
21:15Well, I guess not quite 2,000 years.
21:171,966 years, give or take.
21:20This was after Christianity has had 2,000 years to get things right.
21:26And I remember asking my mother, hey, who started the First World War?
21:32And she said, the Germans.
21:33I said, how long did it last?
21:34Four or five years.
21:35Who started the Second World War?
21:36Oh, the Germans.
21:37Well, how long did that last?
21:38Oh, four or five years.
21:40And were they all Christians?
21:42Oh, yes.
21:42All the countries certainly involved in the First World War.
21:46And, you know, give or take, obviously, the sort of central powers in the Second World War.
21:51I know that, of course, Christianity was not deeply rooted in Japanese culture, but Germany
21:56and Italy, of course, the fountainhead in many ways of Christianity in the West, and Catholicism,
22:01France, and England, and Scotland, and Northern Ireland, and Canada, and New Zealand, and Australia,
22:09all, you know, foundationally Christian countries.
22:12And they all went to war with each other and kind of destroyed the West as a whole.
22:20And World War I started after Christianity had over 1,900 years to make a better, more
22:26moral world.
22:27And when, by the time I was born, certainly child abuse was rampant in my community, and
22:36nobody wanted to help me at all.
22:39Nobody lifted a finger, even made one anonymous phone call when they could clearly hear me
22:43being assaulted and beaten and screamed at, and so on.
22:47And that's the world.
22:48I went to school.
22:48I went to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 different schools, and nobody lifted a finger or asked
22:59a single question, despite the fact that I was hungry, and tired, and smelly, and had
23:07bad clothing on, and so on.
23:09And was obviously very smart, which was constantly commented on, but couldn't really get any work
23:15done, couldn't do any homework, and so on.
23:17And not one person ever, of the hundreds and hundreds of teachers I ran into, not one person
23:22ever asked how I was doing at home, and they just gave me bad marks and lectures and lines
23:26and punishments.
23:28And so, that is the world that I grew up in, after Christianity had almost 2,000 years to
23:35make a good society.
23:37So, I hope that you will forgive me for having a couple of questions about the efficacy
23:45and power of Christian morality.
23:48So, if Christianity is the best we've got, if Christianity is the highest possible and
23:54best possible way for human beings to achieve virtue, then we are royally, completely, and
24:00totally McFract.
24:02Right?
24:03It's not able to last.
24:05And Christianity is kind of dying out in the West anyway, and Christians are being replaced
24:10by people not only who are non-Christians, but are very anti-Christian.
24:15So, Christianity has been unable to protect the West, and unable to stop war, and unable
24:20to stop child abuse, and unable or unwilling to even lift a finger.
24:24Now, you could say, ah, yes, but human beings are so corrupt that this is the best thing that
24:27Christianity could do, and then, okay, well then, then fuck it.
24:30Why would you care at all about morality?
24:33Right?
24:34Why wouldn't you just become an amoral, power-seeking hedonist?
24:37Because they're going to win anyway.
24:38You might as well join the winning team, right?
24:40All right.
24:40He says, and Nietzsche would say the will to power is too potent for UPB to control.
24:45However, Christianity at least affords the will to power of the true, the beautiful, and
24:48the good.
24:49Jesus whipped the little bastards in the temple.
24:51That needs to come back, because that is all the little bastards can understand.
24:55Um, well, of course, UPB is very much focused on the will to power.
25:01UPB accepts that human beings have a lust for power that has arrived evolutionary, or evolved
25:06evolution, early speaking.
25:08Human beings have a complete lust for power.
25:09Yeah, absolutely.
25:11Which is why you can't have a state.
25:13So, politics is never going to work.
25:15Human beings have a lust for power.
25:17Which is why decentralized, voluntary, spontaneous organizations are the only ones that can create
25:23a society that can survive.
25:24So, I don't know.
25:26I mean, the idea that it's utopian, uh, or the idea that, uh, UPB or voluntarism is utopian
25:33is, is kind of wild to me.
25:36It's kind of wild to me.
25:38Uh, because what's really utopian, uh, in my view, what's really utopian is the idea that
25:45human beings can somehow handle, uh, political power.
25:47Now, that's, that's what I call utopian.
25:51So, all right.
25:53Uh, someone wants to, or someone wants steak for dinner, he says, and the other person doesn't,
25:57or go hungry forever.
25:58That does not make the steak guy forcing the other to eat the steak immoral.
26:02UPB is a logical construction that falls in the real world, and honestly, not even to
26:06be a jerk, but literally, no one at all gives the slightest fuck about it.
26:09Um, it's a little, a little rude, obviously, which is fine.
26:13It's not the end of the world.
26:14I'm not made of glass, but it's a little confusing.
26:18Uh, it's a little confusing.
26:19Uh, UPB is, has been very powerful for, uh, many, many people.
26:25Like, even if you, people don't fully understand the UPB argument, UPB has, uh, caused hundreds
26:33of thousands, if not millions of parents to stop abusing their children, or, or not to
26:39start at all.
26:40Because UPB gives you the anti-spanking arguments, and UPB gives you the mom and the brain, uh,
26:47uh, arguments, and so on, right?
26:50So, literally, no one at all gives the slightest fuck about it.
26:55Well, that would be, uh, not true.
26:59Uh, it has, in fact, saved millions and millions of children from direct physical harm.
27:05It has saved millions of children from being, uh, brutalized.
27:09And the number could be higher, but definitely millions.
27:11I mean, I've done a billion views and downloads, so millions is, is, is a very low estimate.
27:17It could be tens of millions, could be a hundred million, but let's just be conservative and
27:22say millions of children have not been abused.
27:26Uh, as, as a result, I, I did the calculations not too, too long ago that 1.5 billion assaults
27:34upon children have been prevented by what I've done.
27:37What the fuck have you done?
27:39Ah, all of these moralists, I fill my inbox with this moral, bullshit, rambling, nonsense,
27:44spiky, emotional, girlish, estrogen-drowning tsunami of nothingness and non-definitions.
27:51What the fuck have you done?
27:53Well, I, I've, I've talked about the good, the true, and the beautiful with caps at the
27:58beginning of each word.
27:59Oh my God, the fuck have you done?
28:04Show me the empirical evidence that you have done a great good in the world before telling
28:11me about the useless and pointless moral theories that you staff have.
28:16It just doesn't, they've, they've achieved nothing, right?
28:18Well, they've achieved nothing with you because you're nuts, because you're corrupt, right?
28:25So it's interesting that he gets the aggression, right?
28:28Not even to be a jerk, but literally no one at all gives a slightest fuck about UPV.
28:32And it's like, well, you don't, because you want to type hysterical stuff to me rather than
28:39actually go do some real good in the world.
28:41And I get that.
28:42It's a lot easier to sort of castigate me and to get impatient and rude with me because
28:47I'm a good guy, right?
28:48So this, this tough guy, this tough guy is not taking on Satanists.
28:52He's not taking on corrupt political leaders.
28:56He's not taking on the corrupt and false media.
28:58No, no, no.
28:59He's emailing me.
29:00Who's a nice and reasonable guy?
29:02Because he's a fucking coward.
29:04He's a fucking coward.
29:06Because he's getting all kinds of aggressive with me, but he's not going to a mosque or a
29:11synagogue and screaming his epithets at them, right?
29:15Of course not, right?
29:17So yeah, he's, he's filling my inbox because he's a coward.
29:20And I guess he's trying to be a bully or something like that, but it's, it's really
29:25pathetic.
29:26And, you know, here's the thing, you know, if you're representing a particular belief
29:29system, you kind of need to have some nobility and character because people are going to
29:34judge you.
29:34You know, if you're a, if you're a dietician, you should not be obese, right?
29:38Because people are going to judge you by how, how fat you are.
29:42So if he's saying, listen, I, Steph, I, this person who emails me quite a lot, I follow
29:49the, the virtue, the noble, the true, the good, the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
29:53And I'm going to swear at you.
29:56I'm going to not define anything and so on.
30:00So you are a representative of what you believe.
30:02And people who take their beliefs very seriously, take a good care to be positive representatives
30:08of what they believe.
30:10You can't get a fat guy to sell a diet book.
30:13So when people are this sort of hysterical and aggressive and petty and vindictive and
30:18mean and, you know, just, and cowardly and so on, it's like, well, you were, you were doing
30:23a very effective job of having me not believe anything that you say with regards to morals.
30:28He said, sorry for the language.
30:30Well, I can understand sorry for the language if you just let rip a cuss in spoken conversation,
30:39but I mean, you've got to type this up.
30:41He says, and I really do appreciate your efforts and all your good work.
30:43And sure, UPP is a true logical construction, but people are irrational.
30:47I'm going to never be rational.
30:49Okay.
30:49So he's saying that God is rational, belief in God is rational.
30:53And then he's saying that people aren't rational.
30:55So they're not going to believe in God.
30:58Any more than UPP?
31:00He goes on to say, and that is why the real world philosophy is 100% might makes right.
31:05And this is why Christianity must be forced down their throats until the world is functional
31:08again.
31:09Irrational people only understand force.
31:11And Christianity is the valid, justified, moral, virtuous reason and purpose of true physical
31:15force against irrational and evil people.
31:17So a theocratic tyranny.
31:19Yeah, thanks.
31:21Thanks, but no.
31:21Uh, and why, why are people so irrational?
31:26If God made people, why are they so, I don't find people to be particularly irrational.
31:30I mean, they, they're rational in their pursuit of survival and so on.
31:35Uh, there is an attempt at logic in UPP and it sort of works, but not really.
31:41All right.
31:41Um, morality already existed before mankind and UPP only points out the effects of immorality.
31:47It does not define morality.
31:49Yeah, it does.
31:50Yeah, it does.
31:51I mean, straw men are kind of funny.
31:54Uh, do I want to go on for more?
31:56Yeah, let's go a little more.
31:57And lastly, to include with all the arguments I have made against UPP, I will just say that
32:02bottom line, UPP is merely a survival instinct desire and not the creation of morality.
32:07Every person would agree that they don't want to be attacked or stolen from simply because
32:10they want to live and survive.
32:12So that would make that universally preferable behavior.
32:15Uh, no, it's not what people agree with or don't agree with.
32:17It's can rape, theft, assault, and murder ever be universally preferable behavior.
32:20The answer is no.
32:21Self-contradictory.
32:23However, because this is all survival instinct based, as soon as a person sees a chance to
32:28steal or attack that best serves their own survival, they will immediately not care
32:32the slightest about UPP because they are about their own survival over everyone else's.
32:35Uh, right?
32:37Okay, so let's say that people are predatory and so on.
32:40Well, that's why you can't have a government, right?
32:42I mean, so he's saying that you need a theocratic dictatorship to ram Christianity down everyone's
32:51throats, but everyone's irrational and does evil for the sake of their own power lust.
32:55And, you know, to not even notice that these two things are incredibly contradictory.
33:00Nobody can handle power.
33:02So let's give some people total power.
33:05I mean, people are irrational.
33:07Let's give irrational people who are very violent and greedy and want status and power
33:12over everything else.
33:12Let's give them an entire government to force a belief system down people's throats.
33:18It's like, you really think that's gonna, that the angels are gonna serve Christianity
33:22with that power?
33:23I don't think so.
33:24Uh, what do we say here?
33:25UPP is matter-based, biologically-based morality and simply does not hold up, just like all
33:30the other secular ethical frameworks before it.
33:32See, he's just saying shit.
33:33I mean, it's just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
33:35It doesn't work.
33:36It's wrong.
33:36People have power, blah, blah, blah.
33:37Uh, this is just impatience and frustration, and this is a guy who's failing to combat his
33:45own corruption and immorality, right, because he's aggressive and manipulative and so on,
33:49right?
33:50Uh, this is because God-based, soul-based morality is the only truth as proven at, uh, his website.
33:57Okay.
33:58Um, yeah, it's a shame, you know?
34:00I mean, I do appreciate criticisms of UPP, uh, people who criticize, uh, who have criticisms
34:06of me or what it is that I argue for.
34:08They're always put to the front of the line, uh, in conversations, and, uh, I do love when
34:13people give me, uh, pushback, but I thought this was a good example of, like, what not
34:17to do, right?
34:18So if you want to convince someone who's rational, well, first of all, if you just say, well,
34:22everyone's irrational, then, then he's irrational too, right?
34:27If he's saying everyone just manipulates for the will to power, then I will not view his
34:33arguments as having anything to do with the truth.
34:35So you've got to pursue truth, but everyone's irrational and just wants power.
34:38It's like, well, you're going to have to pick a lane there, bro.
34:41And so what people are doing is they're confessing.
34:43So just, just so you know, like, I mean, I'm sure you understand this, but it's probably
34:47worth mentioning just briefly here.
34:48So everyone who says, this is all humanity, humanity is just X.
34:54Oh, they're talking about themselves, their parents, maybe their siblings, their, uh,
34:59you know, immediate family and their social circle, all that kind of stuff.
35:03Uh, that's all they're doing.
35:05They're not talking about anything objective.
35:07They're not talking about, and they're just, everyone around me is corrupt.
35:11My parents are corrupt.
35:12I'm corrupt.
35:12And he's saying that everyone is focused on the will to power.
35:16So what that means is that he's trying to exercise his aggressive will to power over
35:19me, uh, but in the guise of being philosophical, of, of being rational.
35:25So, uh, this is a crazy rantings, completely self-contradictory, uh, disappointing because
35:30I do like a good, uh, critique, but it is an important thing that if you want to convince
35:35someone, uh, define your terms and restate their arguments.
35:40So when people tell me everything about UPB without actually quoting anything from the
35:44book, I mean, it's just projection and, and nonsense.
35:47So I hope that helps free demand.com slash donate.
35:49Appreciate your support, my friends.
35:51I'll talk to you soon.
35:51Bye.
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