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Stefan Molyneux
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Stefan Molyneux looks at several problems in society during 2026, such as income redistribution and the shortcomings of welfare programs. He talks with callers about how IQ might connect to certain behaviors in groups, points out the party-focused side of college life, and covers the stresses that come with being a parent. The discussion shifts to capitalism, race, and the need for people to take charge of their own lives, before he encourages folks to think about what their communities stand for and how to get more involved.

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Transcript
00:00:00Good afternoon, my friends.
00:00:04Hope you're doing well.
00:00:06It is the family of you from Freedomain, freedomain.com.
00:00:09To help out the show, it is the 20th of January.
00:00:13In this year of our Lord Science Fiction 2026, flying cars, no, not really.
00:00:21Mars, no, not really.
00:00:23But we have massive and endless income redistribution from the more economically productive to the, well, let's say slightly less economically productive.
00:00:34We don't get Star Trek.
00:00:36We get welfare.
00:00:37All right.
00:00:38So I'm happy to take questions, comments.
00:00:40Got a little bit of time this afternoon.
00:00:42And if you have questions, comments, issues, criticisms, problems, whatever you'd like to talk about, I am thrilled, happy, and overjoyed to hear you.
00:00:53I did look up earlier today, I did look up this question or issue of IQ and body count, right?
00:01:01This is just for women, right?
00:01:02This is just for women.
00:01:04And yes, when you are young, as a female, if you are promiscuous, then you have a low IQ.
00:01:15On average, in general, tons of exceptions.
00:01:18It's just kind of a self-respect thing.
00:01:20It is a deferral of gratification thing.
00:01:24It is not taking the easy route thing.
00:01:27And it is preserving your value for the future thing.
00:01:30So it just generally tends to be that kind of situation.
00:01:34And I'm always fascinated by proxies for IQ.
00:01:36I have looked up a bunch of different things related to IQ.
00:01:43And every now and then, I look for these.
00:01:45And yes.
00:01:46So, you know, I mean, high quality, high IQ, high value, successful men, the kind of men that women generally want.
00:01:53Well, those men tend to want intelligent women.
00:02:00And you want intelligent women because, you know, people are saying, oh, men, they just want an Applebee's waitress.
00:02:07They don't want some high IQ woman if the Applebee's waitress is nicer.
00:02:11And of course, niceness is important.
00:02:12But you need a smart woman if you're a smart man.
00:02:16You just do.
00:02:18You need her to run your household.
00:02:19You need her to manage the finances.
00:02:21Perhaps you need her to be intelligent enough to raise children without aggression or violence or hitting.
00:02:26And of course, you need her to be presentable at high level corporate functions and so on.
00:02:32And so you can't have some overweight tattooed whatever, right?
00:02:37It's just not going to happen.
00:02:39And, you know, after I got married, I took my wife to a whole bunch of fairly high level corporate events and conferences and so on.
00:02:47And she always shone and she was super gracious and great at this kind of stuff.
00:02:51And she's very poised and elegant and all that.
00:02:54And it's great.
00:02:54Obviously, it looks good on me.
00:02:57And that's a plus.
00:02:59Plus, of course, since you're going to be mingling your genetics and genetics, you know, IQ is massively heritable, like 80% plus.
00:03:09From late teens onwards, if you want to have a good parenting experience, it's not great to be much smarter than your children.
00:03:16So, you know, if you have a guy who's got an IQ of 130 and he marries a woman with an IQ of 95, well, they're going to have IQs of 110, 112, which is almost two standard deviations away from him.
00:03:31Again, I'm just talking averages, right?
00:03:33Just averages.
00:03:33And, you know, I've thought myself with regards to being a parent that if my child was not smart, it would be pretty tough to be a good parent.
00:03:47I would be, you know, because I would get impatient.
00:03:50And, you know, if you've been around or tried to teach people who aren't particularly smart, and if you are particularly smart, it's kind of frustrating.
00:03:58It really is kind of frustrating.
00:04:02And listen, of course, we all have our different skill sets.
00:04:05My daughter tries to teach me something in Rocket League, and she probably feels a little impatient because she's really good at some stuff that I'm not too good at and so on.
00:04:13And so, I do think that you just want as high IQ as possible.
00:04:18And one of the things that's going to happen is you're going to look for a low body count.
00:04:24And so, it is a very tough situation for women because what's dangled in front of men and women these days is just hedonism.
00:04:33It's just hedonism, man.
00:04:35And I think, because after high school, as you know, I went to work for a year, year and a half up in northern Ontario, Quebec, Manitoba.
00:04:44And, you know, today in southern Ontario, it's like minus, it feels like minus 27 degrees.
00:04:50And I'm like, hey, this is taking me back because it was even colder.
00:04:53It got to minus 40 when we were working up north.
00:04:57And I remember doing that, you know, pretty hard, brutal work.
00:05:01I didn't mind it.
00:05:02I've never minded hard physical labor.
00:05:04It's actually, it feels kind of good.
00:05:05Like, at the end of the day, you really feel like you've achieved something.
00:05:08Even if it's just like shoveling the driveway.
00:05:10I did like an hour and a half shoveling the driveway the other day.
00:05:12And it just feels good.
00:05:13It's satisfying, you know, as opposed to, oh, I pushed some pixels on the internet, which seems a little gay.
00:05:18I like, move mountains of snow to the left and to the right.
00:05:23It's a big plus.
00:05:24But, man, oh, gosh.
00:05:26When I got back from working up north, and I started an English degree at the Glendon campus of York University, because it was close to where I lived in Don Mills.
00:05:37And, oh, man, that was nice.
00:05:42It was so nice.
00:05:44It was so nice going to college.
00:05:50I remember being kind of shocked.
00:05:51Like, what?
00:05:52What is this, 10 hours of classes a week?
00:05:56Playing hacky sack in the quad.
00:05:59Chatting with girls in the cafeteria.
00:06:01Writing some essays for the student newspaper.
00:06:04Oh, look at that.
00:06:05I'm on the debating team, and they will fly me all over Canada to do yappy debates.
00:06:13Oh, how delightful.
00:06:15Man, it was nice.
00:06:17I mean, college is a fantastic way to waste your time.
00:06:22It is time well wasted.
00:06:24That's the old, what was it, MTV?
00:06:25Time well wasted.
00:06:26It was great.
00:06:27Loved it.
00:06:28I did theater.
00:06:31I wrote plays, performed plays that I'd written.
00:06:34I went to the gym a lot, and read a lot, and wrote essays, like things that I like to do.
00:06:45I like to read history.
00:06:46I like to read literature.
00:06:48I just, at the moment, have just, I'm putting the finishing touches on perhaps the greatest
00:06:53essay in the history of philosophy.
00:06:55And I say this not to brag.
00:06:56It actually is a statement of humility, because I think that if I tell my unconscious this
00:07:04is going to be the greatest, my unconscious would be like, fine, here you go.
00:07:07I mean, I don't come up with a lot of this stuff myself.
00:07:09I just kind of transcribe.
00:07:10But I'm just putting the finishing touches on, I may, in fact, just call it the greatest
00:07:16essay in the history of philosophy.
00:07:17It's nine pages of pure, concentrated social, economic, and moral analysis that tells everybody
00:07:24exactly why the world is so messed up and exactly how to fix it.
00:07:31So, I mean, I do this stuff for fun, for funsies.
00:07:35I remember when I was taking a class on Aristotle, I wrote extra papers trying to understand Aristotle
00:07:40and sat down with this lovely woman who was teaching Aristotle.
00:07:45She was great.
00:07:46She was just really, really opposed to relativism.
00:07:49Boom!
00:07:49She just tore someone up when it came to relativism, which, you know, made her my hero, or heroine,
00:07:54I guess.
00:07:55I remember sitting with her office, you know, can we go over this essay?
00:07:58I really want to understand Aristotle's substance versus essence.
00:08:01And I wrote this essay, and she's like, well, you could cut this, you could simplify this.
00:08:04But I just remember this wonder in her voice that somebody was doing extra work and trying
00:08:09to really, really understand things.
00:08:11I actually just, I thought of her the other day.
00:08:13I could probably dig up her name somewhere from my old files, and it would be nice to
00:08:16send her, it would be nice to send her my Wikipedia page saying, see what you did?
00:08:22Huh?
00:08:23Huh?
00:08:23See what you did?
00:08:25I'm sure she'd be proud of me.
00:08:27I'm sure of that.
00:08:28Because if you're into philosophy, being attacked, it means that you're doing philosophy right.
00:08:35It's not wrong, but right.
00:08:36So, yeah.
00:08:38And for women, going to university is a whole other planet.
00:08:42Because I, gosh, I've never had things handed to me.
00:08:48Obviously, I think this is true for men as a whole.
00:08:54We just don't know what it's like.
00:08:55We don't know what it's like.
00:08:57And this is something a friend of mine said to me when I was in my teens.
00:09:00Changed my mind about life, the world, and everything.
00:09:02And again, I'm happy to take calls if you want.
00:09:05If there's anything that you wanted to chat about, please to let me know.
00:09:09But I remember my friend said to me, imagine being half your size, a foot shorter or six
00:09:19inches shorter, half your size, and with something, you're carrying around something that everybody
00:09:24wants.
00:09:26So, I'm a shade under six foot.
00:09:28So, imagine I was like, I don't know, 5'3", 5'4".
00:09:31Instead of being 190 pounds, I was like 120 pounds.
00:09:36I would have, you know, less than half my muscle mass.
00:09:40And so, I'd be walking around a pretty bad neighborhood with a clear bag of $100 bills
00:09:47while being physically weak and really not able to defend myself.
00:09:52And that was an amazing conversation to understand what the experience of women is like and why
00:09:58women are like, yeah, we'd love a world without men.
00:10:00And then the men say, well, who would protect you?
00:10:02And the women say, from whom would we need protection?
00:10:05There would be no men.
00:10:07So, we wouldn't be attacked.
00:10:08Now, the downside, of course, is that the women would generally be dead in two weeks because
00:10:12the entire infrastructure would collapse because women don't do infrastructure.
00:10:16They do foundation on the face, not foundations to build house.
00:10:19So, the infrastructure would collapse and the women would all die.
00:10:23Food poisoning, cholera, wild animals, starvation, right?
00:10:30They don't, women don't do infrastructure as a whole.
00:10:33And they would die.
00:10:36So, but they wouldn't be too scared for long.
00:10:39So, for women, the downside is being half the size of men with a giant precious commodity
00:10:46that they carry in and around their fleshly flame, fleshly, fleshly, fleshy frames.
00:10:54It sounds like something that would summon a fire demon.
00:10:59But yes, they're fleshy frames.
00:11:02And the downside is that vulnerability.
00:11:04The upside is the endless conveyor belt of men just wanting to give them stuff.
00:11:08Oh, when I asked the universe the things, the universe just seems to provide.
00:11:14It's like, yeah, yeah, try that when you're 80.
00:11:17I doubt the universe.
00:11:19Well, I guess the universe still provides because the government robs men to give you an old age
00:11:22pension and health care.
00:11:23But anyway, that is, that is how that, that goes.
00:11:28But in university, it's fun enough for men.
00:11:31But oh my gosh, for, for women, university, oh, absolute, complete and total blast.
00:11:38I mean, you're in a relatively safe area.
00:11:40You're around relatively high IQ people, or at least used to be.
00:11:42I don't know what it is now.
00:11:44But yeah, everywhere you go, your women are wonderful.
00:11:48You're so cool.
00:11:50You're so special.
00:11:51Guys are asking you out.
00:11:52They want to take you places.
00:11:54They want to buy you things.
00:11:56I mean, it's paradise.
00:11:57I compare that to getting pregnant and having a baby.
00:11:59Like, it's no wonder that the birth rate is collapsing.
00:12:02And now, even now, even more so now, you get to post on Instagram and a tick-a-tock.
00:12:08And you get to post all of this cool stuff and make your duck face.
00:12:13And everyone envies you.
00:12:14And you're so cool.
00:12:15And it's, I mean, it's almost impossible to resist.
00:12:20Almost impossible.
00:12:21To resist.
00:12:24So, it is real easy, real easy, to rack up your body count as a young woman, particularly
00:12:32in university.
00:12:34All right.
00:12:35Instead of getting your MRS degree, you're getting your OF degree.
00:12:39Hey, name.
00:12:40If you want to unmute, I'm happy to hear what's on your mind.
00:12:43Hey, can you hear me okay?
00:12:44Yes, sir.
00:12:45Go ahead.
00:12:46All right.
00:12:46Awesome.
00:12:47Hey, I had some questions for you.
00:12:48I've been listening and catching up on your content.
00:12:52I had three questions for you.
00:12:53I think maybe we can get through them.
00:12:55The first one is kind of a fun one.
00:12:58I was wondering if you had any thoughts about the philosophy of gummy bears and just the
00:13:04nature of eating varied candied fruits and people's behavior with that.
00:13:08And the reason I asked is because, you know, when I was, have you ever had any like candy
00:13:15that had like different flavors before?
00:13:18So, yes.
00:13:20I mean, the one thing I love about doing the show is I never have a single freaking clue
00:13:24what the hell is coming next.
00:13:25Ah, the philosophy of squishy gummy bears.
00:13:28Well, I will say this, that my daughter, like most kids, had a fascination with gummy
00:13:34candies and we did once order, how did we get, I think we were in Florida and we got a gummy
00:13:40gator, which had rainbow, right?
00:13:43So, so we went to a gator farm or some sort of gator exhibit and she was really into lizards
00:13:48when we were in Australia in 2018, she was nine or 10 and she caught a giant lizard, which
00:13:57was pretty terrifying for her mother.
00:13:59Actually quite exciting for me.
00:14:00I was trying to stop the lizard from escaping by holding a stick in front of it and it just
00:14:04ripped the stick right out of my hands and then my daughter caught it.
00:14:07Her mother was like, count your fingers, count your fingers.
00:14:10But so anyway, she loved lizards.
00:14:12So we went to a gator farm or a gator exhibit and we got a gummy gator and we tried it.
00:14:22So it's, if, if you want to know, have I tasted rainbow gummy candy?
00:14:27Uh, yes, yes, I have.
00:14:29Okay.
00:14:30Is he the Lizzie?
00:14:31Uh, yeah, just different flavors.
00:14:32Um, cause I, I always remember like when I was a kid, like I always liked the red gummy
00:14:36bears and, uh, whenever my parents got them, I would just kind of eat those first.
00:14:40Um, but as I got older and, you know, kind of threw out the ones that I hated, um, I
00:14:46started eating the ones that I hated first because I wanted the best ones last.
00:14:51And, um, I felt like there's some type of deferral of gratification there.
00:14:55And I'm wondering if that is, uh, just a behavior that is appreciated.
00:15:00Uh, just, just people that, um, do that.
00:15:03It's kind of a weird question, but it's kind of wondering if your thoughts on that.
00:15:07Yeah.
00:15:07I mean, it is this question of sort of, do you save the best for last?
00:15:12Do you reward yourself with the plus?
00:15:13I mean, that's dessert, right?
00:15:15I mean, you've, you've had your appetizer, you've had a meal, and then you have a little
00:15:20something sweet at the end.
00:15:22And that's what, you know, parents are always saying to their kids is, is have the dessert
00:15:26at the end.
00:15:27When I was a kid, there's a funny memory.
00:15:28Memory just popped into my head.
00:15:30And when I first moved to Canada, I was 11, just turned 11.
00:15:36And I lived in Whitby with my mother's half-brother.
00:15:41And I was in grade eight.
00:15:44Uh, they put me two years ahead.
00:15:46And then when they put me two years back when I moved to Toronto, but I remember having this
00:15:51homework that was really boring.
00:15:53And it's funny because I love to learn.
00:15:54I love to think.
00:15:55I love to reason.
00:15:56I love to puzzle things out.
00:15:57But schoolwork was just universally hell.
00:16:01Boring, boring, boring, boring, boring.
00:16:04No, no connection to reality or utility of any kind.
00:16:07And I remember there was a game.
00:16:09Maybe somebody can remember what this is.
00:16:11There was a little plastic game, which was a shark.
00:16:13And you had to pick things out of the shark's mouth.
00:16:16And if you pick things wrong, it would snap shut.
00:16:18And I remember my brother was a very hard worker and he was older than me.
00:16:24And he would go down to the basement.
00:16:26He'd just do his homework.
00:16:27And I would sit there and I would say, okay, I'm going to do math homework.
00:16:30I'm going to do a couple of questions.
00:16:31I'll do three questions of the math homework.
00:16:33And then I will pick some debris out of the shark's mouth.
00:16:37And then I will do more.
00:16:38And it was just like a little reward for things like that.
00:16:41And so I think that trying to find a way to reward yourself in this way, like I'll eat
00:16:50the bad gummies first and I'll eat the good gummies later, I think it is a way of managing
00:16:58yourself or sort of bribing yourself or punishing yourself in order to get things done.
00:17:03And I think it usually arises because there's no clear motivation for what it is that you're
00:17:09doing.
00:17:09And there's an old saying from Nietzsche, he says, give a man a why, he can bear almost
00:17:13any how.
00:17:15So if you have a reason for doing something, a purpose for doing something, then you'll
00:17:19figure out a way.
00:17:20And it's sort of like you wouldn't just give a random stranger your kidney, but if your
00:17:26child is dying and needs your kidney, then you'll give your child your kidney because
00:17:29you have a why.
00:17:30And if you have a why, you can bear almost any how.
00:17:33And nobody likes flossing their teeth, but you floss your teeth because you don't want to
00:17:39get tooth decay and have teeth problems and so on because that's no fun at all.
00:17:44Well, so I think because we don't have things explained to us and what we do in school is
00:17:52so empty of meaning.
00:17:53And when you don't have a meaningful why as to why you're doing something, then the how
00:18:01becomes you have to substitute.
00:18:03Like what's the reward?
00:18:04The reward of learning something should be that you gain in knowledge and power and efficacy
00:18:09and you can use it for the course of your life and so on, right?
00:18:13So that's the purpose of learning something.
00:18:15But if there's no purpose to learning something, then usually what we do is we, what the parents
00:18:21do, why should you do your homework?
00:18:23This kid says, well, why should I do my homework?
00:18:24It's like, because you have to, right?
00:18:26It's like, well, I don't want to.
00:18:27And it's like, okay, do your homework and then we'll go throw the ball around outside
00:18:31afterwards, right?
00:18:32So you bribe them.
00:18:33But you do that because there's no meaning or value in the task.
00:18:38So when our lives empty out of meaning and value, we tend to bribe and punish ourselves
00:18:44as a motivation.
00:18:46And then it becomes a vicious cycle because the more we bribe and punish ourselves, the
00:18:49less meaning we have in what we do.
00:18:52But yeah, I mean, it's one of the great, you know, absolutely awful things that happens
00:18:56to children the world over is you're just taught all of this absolutely useless stuff
00:19:01under high stress, right?
00:19:03They can hold you back for a whole year.
00:19:04You get punished.
00:19:05You get sent home.
00:19:07You get a bad report card.
00:19:08You get detention.
00:19:09You do lines.
00:19:10Not the fun kind in a 80s LA nightclub.
00:19:14But I think because we just put children through this absolute meat grinder of meaningless
00:19:20busy work, they end up having to give themselves bribes and rewards rather than doing the thing
00:19:25for its own sake or for the sake of some future goal, if that makes sense.
00:19:29Yeah.
00:19:30Yeah.
00:19:30I think that that does.
00:19:31Listen, I think as a kid myself in school, I would always do my homework last, you know,
00:19:37Sunday night, Monday morning before I got in, if I could.
00:19:41As an adult, try to do that first.
00:19:44Try to do the things that you don't like so that you can get to the relaxation or whatever
00:19:48it is.
00:19:48So, yeah.
00:19:50No, I really like that.
00:19:51I'm turning it.
00:19:51I think that's a good one.
00:19:53So, I think I'm good there.
00:19:54Well, hang on.
00:19:55So, I mean, good for you.
00:19:57I can be a bit of a procrastinator at times, and especially if I have stuff that's really
00:20:02not particularly urgent but kind of negative.
00:20:06So, that's probably just a habit left over.
00:20:08So, one of the things I hated about homework was it just felt like a humiliation ritual.
00:20:14Because it was pointless, and because it intruded in my life, I resisted it the same
00:20:20way I would resist a bully.
00:20:23I felt, and I don't think it's just me, I felt that it was bullying.
00:20:28I felt like if the teacher is a good teacher, then why the living hell do I have to do homework?
00:20:35Well, you've got to practice, and it's like, well, but if the teaching is good enough, I
00:20:40should want to do the homework.
00:20:41So, the fact that you have to do the homework is implicitly telling you that it's not a value
00:20:48to you.
00:20:49You know, like, so when I was learning racket sports, I wanted to be good at racket sports
00:20:55because I was the youngest kid around.
00:20:57Just about everywhere I went, I was the youngest kid around because I was right at the tail end
00:21:00of the baby boom, and my birthday is in September, so I was at the beginning of the school
00:21:04year, I have an older brother.
00:21:06Like, everywhere I went, I was just the youngest kid around, and so I had to really work hard
00:21:11on my physical skills.
00:21:12I had to learn how to play racket sports so that people would want to play tennis with
00:21:17me, older kids.
00:21:17I had to learn how to do soccer and rounders or cricket or baseball, hitting sports and
00:21:22so on.
00:21:23And I had to learn how to run fast because the older kids were faster, and the one thing
00:21:28I can do is run fast.
00:21:29So, I had a big incentive to learn racket sports, and so I practiced a lot of racket
00:21:37sports.
00:21:38Nobody had to give me homework.
00:21:39No one had to make me do it.
00:21:41You know, I remember dragging an entire white door home from a ruined building to paint a
00:21:46big landscape portrait because I was really interested in drawing and painting and so on.
00:21:51So, I did all of that stuff.
00:21:52As a kid, I started writing short stories when I was six.
00:21:57You know, I just loved doing it.
00:21:59So, all the things that I wanted to do that actually turned out to be productive.
00:22:03Like, I was fascinated by computers, and so there was a computer lab where I could cart
00:22:08like a back-busting giant computer home.
00:22:12Can't drop it, right?
00:22:13Because they were thousands of dollars.
00:22:15And I would cart a computer home and learn how to program it and how to use it and what
00:22:20the operating system and file system meant and all of that.
00:22:22And nobody gave me that as homework.
00:22:24Like, Saturdays, I would go into the computer lab with some friends, and we'd puzzle out
00:22:28all this computer stuff.
00:22:30It wasn't paid.
00:22:31It wasn't assigned.
00:22:32So, all the stuff that I was actually interested in and did turned out to be a value to my life
00:22:38as a whole.
00:22:39And I just felt that this was a punishment inflicted on the basis of power.
00:22:46And it was, because it was punished if you didn't do it, it is not intrinsically of value.
00:22:54I'm not saying I puzzled all this out intellectually, but I think I sort of felt it deep down.
00:22:58So, I wrote this real line when it came to homework.
00:23:02I mean, I did enough that they wouldn't hold me back a year.
00:23:05But I was a bare minimum kid for most of my education.
00:23:09Like, just do the bare minimum.
00:23:10I get my 60.
00:23:11I mean, where I had to work at others.
00:23:13Like, I always got 90s plus in English, of course.
00:23:17But I hated being bullied and pushed around by that.
00:23:23And it's like when a bully says, you know, I want you to dig a hole and then fill it up again.
00:23:28I mean, you'll do it because you don't want to get beaten up if the bully's like twice your size
00:23:32or something, but you'll resent it the whole time.
00:23:35And you'll do the minimum and you'll, right, I mean, the sort of slave resentment that happens.
00:23:41So, if you found a way to have a better relationship with homework, I envy you.
00:23:45I just, I just, I couldn't, I couldn't do it.
00:23:48And I, you know, even thinking about it now, I feel this sort of vaguely syrupy resentment
00:23:53in my chest just about like, why do you asshole teachers not find a way to make me enthusiastic?
00:24:00Because I do like to learn.
00:24:02I just hate everything you're doing.
00:24:05Yeah, homework is kind of challenging in grade school and high school.
00:24:10It flips, it flipped for me a little bit in college and wasn't until I got older.
00:24:16You know, in college, a lot of the homework is you have to read before the class.
00:24:21I kind of like that approach.
00:24:23In college, I kind of felt that the one and a half hours or the three hours wasn't really
00:24:29enough to really internalize the material.
00:24:32So, I kind of liked being able to read it beforehand.
00:24:35I kind of felt like that was a better way of learning.
00:24:38But sorry, what would college have to do?
00:24:41Sorry, sorry.
00:24:42What would college have to do with what I'm talking about?
00:24:44Because in college, you choose to go.
00:24:45In college, you choose your subjects and you don't have to do things that you don't like.
00:24:51That's true.
00:24:52You do have general education where you kind of have to learn broad things that's kind
00:24:57of mandatory.
00:24:58So, like, if you don't like any of the general education, then I guess you could.
00:25:02Sorry, it's been a long time since I went to college.
00:25:05So, what do you mean by general education?
00:25:07I mean, when I went and took English, I just took English and, you know, a little bit of
00:25:10history, a little bit of poli-sci.
00:25:12But I didn't have to do, like, math or physics or chemistry or things like that.
00:25:18So, what do you mean by general education?
00:25:20So, when I went, you had general education, which had a certain amount of credits.
00:25:25And then you had your major, which mine was, you know, business.
00:25:30So, I took business classes.
00:25:33But in general education, you were taking things like biology or English, philosophy of religion,
00:25:39like that kind of, like sociology, arts, that kind of stuff.
00:25:42Sorry, so that you get to college, you say, I want to study business.
00:25:45And they say, you have to take a course in biology.
00:25:48Yeah.
00:25:49Really?
00:25:50But that's why.
00:25:51Why would they do that?
00:25:52I'm not blaming you, obviously.
00:25:53You're just trying to survive the system.
00:25:55But why on earth would they want you to take biology if you want to study business?
00:25:59Well, they have a variety of courses that fit this general education category.
00:26:04And the general education credit that you get is generally transferable to other colleges.
00:26:11At least that's the way that I understand it.
00:26:13I might be wrong.
00:26:14But when I was taking my major, which was business, I was taking random courses that I didn't really like and didn't do amazing in.
00:26:23But then I took the business classes, which I liked and I did better in.
00:26:28So there's a little bit of having to go through things that you might not be interested in college.
00:26:34But the only thing I was trying to get at was that the format of the homework seems a little bit different in college compared to elementary, just because they generally ask that you read beforehand and kind of do that homework.
00:26:47No, and I think that's fine.
00:26:49Yeah, because you couldn't take a class that included Moby Dick and just spend the time of the class reading it.
00:26:56I get all of that.
00:26:57But the difference is, for me, with college, and again, I'm happy to open this up to other people, but the difference for me with college was that in school, so you'd go 8.30 or 9 in the morning and you'd be there till sort of 3.30 in the afternoon.
00:27:14And then often I would have something to do at the school, after school, in sports or theater or something like that.
00:27:20So then you get home sort of 6.
00:27:23So you've done your 8.30 to 6 kind of thing.
00:27:25It's a long, long day.
00:27:27And then you'd have to do your homework.
00:27:29So the difference for me with college was, you say, maybe have an hour and a half or three hours of classes a week.
00:27:36So all of the homework that was assigned was, you know, A, something you generally would be interested in and want to do anyway.
00:27:43And B, they weren't destroying your evenings because they gave you ample time during the day.
00:27:50To do your reading or your studying and so on.
00:27:54But school, for me, was kind of like a 9 to 5 thing, give or take.
00:27:59And it was nights and weekends that were impacted by the homework.
00:28:05That wasn't the case for me in university because you kind of got all day, all week, minus an hour and a half or three hours to do your studying.
00:28:15I agree.
00:28:15Yeah, I fully and entirely agree.
00:28:17Yeah.
00:28:18Okay, that was your first question.
00:28:20Yeah, yeah, a hundred questions.
00:28:21Yeah, sorry we went down on education.
00:28:23So my other question, and some things that I've been listening to recently from you, you know, some people trying to fight the system.
00:28:31They're trying to, like, get the word out.
00:28:34And you mentioned that, you know, you should pick your battles.
00:28:36I think you said something along the lines of, you know, the sword of truth isn't a weapon to be drawn at all costs, right?
00:28:44You kind of pick your battles.
00:28:46And the sentiment was that, you know, people that have families generally have more to lose because if they go into battle, they could be harmed.
00:28:56It could negatively impact them and their family.
00:28:59And they generally had more to lose.
00:29:02And I was also thinking about something that you had talked about previously about how, you know, the rate of repopulation, it's kind of going down, the rate of replacement, right?
00:29:15And so there's a lot more single people out there.
00:29:19And I was wondering if having more single people out there is a societal indicator that there's something wrong.
00:29:29And the more single people that you have out there, the more single people that are able to fight that don't have anything to lose because they were never given the benefit of being able to build a family.
00:29:43And I was just kind of wondering if you would also think that would be true or not.
00:29:50Just the fact that there's more single people out there, so there's more single people that can fight for what they feel is right, to start a family, to gather resources, things like that.
00:30:00And since they don't really have anything to lose, they're more willing to fight in that way for what is right.
00:30:08Is that your family out here in the background?
00:30:10Oh, maybe.
00:30:11Well, I hope not.
00:30:12No, no, that's fine.
00:30:13Honestly, I love hearing this out of kids.
00:30:15I love, you know, from, yeah, so I think that's lovely.
00:30:19Because you got quite passionate when you were talking about building a family, and you were a relatively new father?
00:30:26Oh, I'm just nervous.
00:30:27No, I'm a little bit late in the game, but I'm going to start trying here real soon, so yeah.
00:30:32Oh, so you don't have kids yet?
00:30:34Correct.
00:30:35Okay, got it, got it.
00:30:37All right, so congratulations on getting the game going.
00:30:40I think that's a wonderful thing.
00:30:42So it's tough because the people who don't have children just have much less to fight for,
00:30:48and the people who do have children have more to fight for, but they're more vulnerable.
00:30:53So if you attack the powers that be and they can't get you legally, what they'll do is they will attack your relationships,
00:31:01they will attack your marriage, and they will attack your source of income, right?
00:31:06So they'll try to destroy your reputation, and that can be tough on your relationships.
00:31:13There's a lot of people who go 3D platforming who end up getting divorced because it's a real slog and a battle at times,
00:31:22and you have to be really deeply rooted in your respect for each other for that not to be an issue.
00:31:28So people who are single, I mean, what do they care about the future compared to people who have kids, right?
00:31:37This is the John Maynard Keynes thing, right?
00:31:39This is sort of the argument that John Maynard Keynes was gay, didn't have any kids,
00:31:43and when he was talking about deficit financing, his sort of big Keynesian economics is basically,
00:31:49well, when the government is short of money, it will print money,
00:31:52and when the government has excess money, it will contract the money supply,
00:31:57and his excess income of the economy is doing well.
00:32:02People would say, but in the long run, and he would say, but in the long run, we're all dead.
00:32:06That was sort of his famous statement about this.
00:32:10And of course, in the long run, we're all dead would apply a little bit more to the homosexual community
00:32:16than the heterosexual community, because in the long run, your genes are continuing.
00:32:21So people who are single think mostly of themselves.
00:32:26I mean, you said you're starting late in the game, so what decade of life are you in?
00:32:31I was born in the 80s.
00:32:33Born in the 80s.
00:32:35Okay, so you're born in the 80s, so you're in your 40s.
00:32:40More of a 90s kid, though, so yeah.
00:32:43Okay, so late 30s, early 40s, or something like that.
00:32:46And have you been married long, or been with your partner long?
00:32:51Yeah, we've been together for quite a while.
00:32:54Okay.
00:32:55So, yeah, until you have kids, it's really hard, and I know this is annoying,
00:33:00and I apologize for it being annoying, but until you have kids,
00:33:04you don't really know what it's like to truly live for another person.
00:33:09Because you're with your wife, your partner, your husband, you do some negotiation, you're both adults, right?
00:33:15But when you have kids, everything has to be about what the kids need when they're young.
00:33:21And this goes on for a long time.
00:33:26It's funny, because when the kids are very young, everything is about the kids.
00:33:30Obviously, babies and toddlers can't take care of themselves, and so on.
00:33:33And then there's a latency period where you can kind of do your thing, and your kids will go along with it.
00:33:39And then when they hit the teens, then they start to get involved with their peers, and jobs, and boyfriends, and girlfriends, and things.
00:33:45So you have to do a lot more facilitating and working around what their schedule is.
00:33:50So it's really hard to really get just how amazingly satisfying and great it is to live for the sake of others.
00:34:00And of course, you know, it is selfish. I enjoy doing things with my daughter.
00:34:04I enjoy sort of helping her life get better as best I can.
00:34:09And so when you are single, or when you are not with children, it's just, you just kind of live for yourself.
00:34:19And, you know, you compromise with your partner and so on.
00:34:21But if she's an adult, she's there by choice.
00:34:23And you can always say no to her needs, but you can't say no to kids' needs.
00:34:27You cannot say no to what kids need.
00:34:32And so you just have to conform yourself to those requirements.
00:34:36And so because there's a certain amount, and I don't say this with any disrespect.
00:34:40This just seems to be a fact of life.
00:34:42Because there's a certain amount of hedonism in people who don't have children,
00:34:46they think about what is more comfortable for themselves in the moment,
00:34:50and not what is, you know, kids, you're thinking decades, right?
00:34:54But when you're single or without kids, you're thinking next weekend.
00:34:59And so people who are not parents mostly think about their own needs, their partner's needs, and so on.
00:35:06But there's not much sacrifice involved.
00:35:09In fact, you could never say with your romantic partner that you've made a sacrifice
00:35:13because you've chosen to be with them, right?
00:35:16And you could not be with them, or you could be with anyone else.
00:35:19So it's not a sacrifice.
00:35:20So, and of course, you choose to have kids, but once you make that choice,
00:35:25then your life is, for very large chunks of it, out of your hands and what's best for the kids.
00:35:32And of course, when you have kids, you think of what the world is going to be like
00:35:36in 20 years, 30 years, 40 years.
00:35:39You know, when I have white friends of mine who are fathers,
00:35:44they have talked to me about, they are worried about their sons being able to get jobs
00:35:50because of the sort of anti-white male bias in hiring, and it's a big issue for them and so on, right?
00:35:55So they're thinking about, you know, their kids are like 5 or 10,
00:35:59and they're thinking about, you know, 10, 15, 20 years.
00:36:02In the future, what kind of life are those kids going to have?
00:36:06So you just think more deeply, you think more long-term,
00:36:08which is why when people get married and have kids, they tend to become more conservative,
00:36:12they want less government, they want more freedom, because they want,
00:36:16because if our freedoms are being chipped away, you and I might survive it.
00:36:21You may be a little less than me because I'm older,
00:36:25but you and I might survive having our freedoms chipped away.
00:36:29But if our freedoms keep getting chipped away, then our children are getting up as slaves.
00:36:32So you just have a much longer-term view of the world,
00:36:37which is why the elites don't want people having children,
00:36:40because when you have children, you tend to turn more towards community,
00:36:44and you tend to be more skeptical of growth in government power or the diminishment of freedom.
00:36:50So it's true that the single people, they have more time, but they have less motive.
00:36:57And the people with kids have more motive, but less time.
00:37:00People who are without kids or who are single, they have less motive, but less vulnerability.
00:37:09People who have kids have more motive, but more vulnerability.
00:37:12And this doesn't, of course, I understand that there's these sort of radicals on the left and the right
00:37:18who are young and single and kind of crazed with ideology.
00:37:20Those are very much the minority of people as a whole.
00:37:24So yeah, if the birth rate is lowered, people don't really break out of this hedonism mindset too much.
00:37:30And I say this again with all the humility, but before I became a father,
00:37:34my life was largely about my own pleasures and then the pleasures of my wife and so on.
00:37:39And then you just have to put all of that stuff aside when you have kids,
00:37:42and you have to dedicate yourself to what's best for them.
00:37:45So I think that's the challenge.
00:37:48Sorry, go ahead.
00:37:49It feels like such a double-edged sword, because like you said, the moment you have a kid,
00:37:52you kind of forfeit doing things for yourself.
00:37:56And if it's to fight for the good, then you have so much more to lose by way of resources
00:38:04and family and relationships, because you'll get that pressure on you the moment you start
00:38:09to become prominent.
00:38:10That kind of happened with you, with the whole de-platforming thing, you know, and whatnot.
00:38:16Well, and in some countries, certain beliefs are so pathologized that you might even lose
00:38:25custody of your kids, right?
00:38:27So it is very tough in some places.
00:38:31Sorry, you were saying it's hard to know how to move forward?
00:38:35I was trying to say, I think that's the heart of the question is, you know, who's going
00:38:38to save us from ourself?
00:38:40And is it going to be a family person in a very high-ranking power?
00:38:44Like, I just don't know how it's going to happen.
00:38:48Sorry, how what?
00:38:49I mean, you know what you mean.
00:38:51I'm not sure I follow, but how, I think I generally get it, but how what is going to
00:38:55happen?
00:38:57I guess to make sure that evil does not prevail.
00:39:00Well, who is going to, who is going to prevent, who is going to stop evil from prevailing
00:39:06until.
00:39:07Now, do you mean in a political context or something like that?
00:39:11Yeah.
00:39:12In a political context of, you know, you've spoken about this, the white race window, right?
00:39:19People that, you know, who are boomers holding onto their houses in a tight grip of death, people
00:39:27that want to start families, but you have feminism that's discouraging people from getting together
00:39:33and pair bonding and creating families.
00:39:36Who's going to save us from that just winning, you know?
00:39:40And when I think about who's out there to push the message, like you said, the moment you
00:39:46have a family, like you really put yourself in the sights.
00:39:48And so it's really risky.
00:39:51And I guess I was, in my thought, I was trying to think of, you know, it's got to be the single
00:39:56people that want a family that can't have a family that are going to fight for it.
00:40:00It's got to be the people who don't have houses that can't get housing that are going to fight
00:40:05for it.
00:40:06And the people that can't get, you know, really good wages and earn a living that are going
00:40:11to fight for it.
00:40:11As opposed to all people that already have the family, already have the job, already
00:40:16have, you know, the home.
00:40:20And that was just the root of the question.
00:40:22Yeah, it's a big, it's a big question.
00:40:24It's a big question.
00:40:25I'll give you a couple of thoughts and I do see that there's somebody else who wants to
00:40:28chat.
00:40:28So I'll definitely get to you in a sec.
00:40:30No, no, great.
00:40:30No, we got one more question.
00:40:32So the way that I view it, and this is, you know, it might change by the end of the conversation,
00:40:37but this is sort of where I'm settling at the moment.
00:40:39But so let's say that susceptibility to propaganda has some genetic elements.
00:40:47And we know that just about every aspect of personality and trait agreeableness, it's one
00:40:52of the big five personality traits where you prefer other people, you prefer the approval
00:40:58of other people over objective and uncomfortable truths.
00:41:02So let's say that there's a lot of propaganda, and we know that there is, there's a lot of
00:41:08propaganda to not have kids.
00:41:10I mean, particularly for whites, but just in general, there's a lot of propaganda to
00:41:13not have kids.
00:41:14Okay.
00:41:15So the people who listen to that propaganda will have fewer children.
00:41:19So that's a self-correcting situation in the long run, if that makes sense.
00:41:24Because it means that people who prefer what Ayn Rand called the second-handers or the social
00:41:29metaphysicians, the people who prefer approval to truth are being outbred by those who prefer
00:41:37truth to approval.
00:41:39The people who say, is this true, rather than what do people believe is true.
00:41:43People who say, is this right, rather than will I get praise or punishment for holding
00:41:48this viewpoint.
00:41:48So if propaganda is taking people who are susceptible to propaganda out of the reproductive
00:41:56race, there are certain Darwinian advantages to that, if that makes sense.
00:42:01So that may be a self-correcting problem in the long run.
00:42:05As far as, you know, who's going to save us and so on, I don't find it to be, and I say
00:42:12this with great sympathy and also great humility, because I make this mistake still quite continually,
00:42:17but I have to sort of remind myself that I do the best I can with the skills that I have.
00:42:25After that, it's not up to me.
00:42:28I do not look at save the planet, save the West as something that I'm responsible for,
00:42:37because I can't do it.
00:42:39You know, if you were looking at a plane falling out of the sky, would you take it upon yourself
00:42:45to hold it up in the air?
00:42:47No.
00:42:47No, you couldn't, because you can't do it.
00:42:50So I can put the best arguments and ideas out there in the world.
00:42:53I can model the kind of life that I think people should ideally lead.
00:42:58I can encourage people to have children.
00:43:00I can do shows with my daughter, where hopefully people get a sense of how much fun parenting
00:43:04can be.
00:43:05I love my wife.
00:43:06I love my friends.
00:43:08I love my family.
00:43:08I love truth, reason, and virtue.
00:43:10And I'm sort of unashamedly putting that out there into the world.
00:43:17And, you know, without a doubt, I mean, just based upon my sort of emails and, you know,
00:43:21anecdotes.
00:43:22And so like hundreds of thousands of kids have been born.
00:43:25I only have one child of my own, but sort of goodbye, Mr. Ship style.
00:43:28I have, quote, many more kids out there in the world who've come and do, like, I just
00:43:32talked to someone not too long ago who's had kids because, he says, because I listened to
00:43:38you and they got a bunch.
00:43:40And that's great.
00:43:41So, so I, I do what I can with the skills that I have.
00:43:46And I do not think of whether it's going to work or not, because I don't have any control
00:43:54over whether it works or not.
00:43:57I have no control.
00:43:58I can put the best out there, but it's a free will situation.
00:44:02It's a free will situation.
00:44:03I try and point people towards the right direction, towards the good, towards the noble, towards
00:44:07the virtuous, towards the honest, towards the courageous, as best I can, you know, have
00:44:12my faults, but I do, I think I do pretty well that way.
00:44:15And the problem is if I start to take ownership of the world, I'm spinning my tires, not on
00:44:24tarmac or gravel, but on ice and slush and mud.
00:44:29The wheels are spinning, but I have no traction.
00:44:32So I do the best that I can in the world.
00:44:35And if people listen, that's great.
00:44:37If they don't listen, that's a shame, but I'm not going to take it personally, whether
00:44:43the plane goes down or not.
00:44:45The only thing, and I know this sounds kind of selfish, maybe it sounds kind of narcissistic,
00:44:49I hope this makes sense, but the only thing that I have any real control over is my relationship
00:44:55with my conscience.
00:44:58Have I done that which is reasonably enough in a non-self-destructive way?
00:45:03Have I done that which is reasonably enough, given the skills and talents that I have,
00:45:06to promote philosophical virtues and values in the world?
00:45:11I think I have.
00:45:13I think if I had done, you know, 1% more, I would be in very dangerous territory.
00:45:19Because of course, I was out there, you know, with bomb threats and death threats and all
00:45:24kinds of crazy stuff that was going on.
00:45:26And of course, we saw with Charlie Cook where that kind of stuff could lead, and not just
00:45:29Charlie Cook, but many others.
00:45:31So I was like right at the edge of the volcano when I stopped walking forward, which to me
00:45:37was a good decision because I want to do maximum philosophy and getting blown up or shot or whatever
00:45:43it is is not going to get me there.
00:45:45So martyrdom works for religion, not so much for philosophy, because there have been lots
00:45:50of philosophical martyrs, but we still don't live in a philosophical society.
00:45:53So that's not the goal.
00:45:57Because you can say of Jesus, he died for your sins, that creates obligations for people,
00:46:01but you can't say that Socrates died for your irrationality, so you have to worship him
00:46:05and model yourself after him and so on, right?
00:46:06So with regards to the world as a whole, that is a terror-laced paralytic, to look at the
00:46:13world as a whole and say, oh my God, where's it going?
00:46:16What's going to happen?
00:46:17Who's going to fix it?
00:46:17Who's going to save us?
00:46:18And like, that will have you spilling your wheels in mud.
00:46:21And from my experience, and I'm obviously not talking about you, and again, I say this
00:46:24with all humility, in my experience, I do that because I'm not quite as comfortable with
00:46:30my own conscience as I need to be.
00:46:32I focus on the big stuff, the West, the world, the span, the good and evil of the multiverse
00:46:38or something, and because there's a more challenging moral situation that I need to deal with somewhere
00:46:44in my life, I tend to spin out into deep orbit so that I can look at the whole world rather
00:46:50than plow the field that I need to plow, if that makes sense.
00:46:54It does.
00:46:55Yeah, it sounds like the correction to this will rely more on individual actions than any
00:47:02type of collective power.
00:47:04Well, what is there in the world but individual actions?
00:47:08What is there in the world but individual actions?
00:47:11Collective doesn't act, right?
00:47:13So yeah, focus on promoting virtue and shun evil, do good, love deeply, and have fun.
00:47:19And other than that, the rest is up to the gods, the rest is up to nature, the rest is up
00:47:27to people's free will, and do as much good as you can without dying, do as much good as
00:47:33you can, and it's up to everyone else.
00:47:36And I don't think we're going to get out of this cycle of history.
00:47:39It's on such a downward plummet.
00:47:41It's wild.
00:47:42So maybe what we do here is we leave the accurate story so it doesn't happen again.
00:47:50Maybe this can be the last time.
00:47:51Who knows, right?
00:47:52I mean, you notice that climate change has left, right?
00:47:55Climate change has vanished from people's calculations, and that's because the elites
00:48:02need AI to spy on us.
00:48:04And therefore, suddenly, carbon footprints don't matter because you need all that water
00:48:08for AI.
00:48:10So yeah, who knows?
00:48:11Who knows?
00:48:12But nonetheless, all we can do is do the best good we can in the sphere that we have without
00:48:18self-destruction.
00:48:20After that, it's up to everyone else.
00:48:21But the good news is the more people you talk to about freedom and reason and so on, and the
00:48:26more reasonable calculated risks that you take, the less you have to worry about people
00:48:32who don't make it.
00:48:33You know, if you run up and down the halls and corridors of the Titanic, right?
00:48:39The Titanic, you know it's going down.
00:48:41You're a ship engineer or something.
00:48:42You know it's going down.
00:48:43You run up and down.
00:48:44Bang, bang, bang, bang.
00:48:45You pound on people's doors and you say, ship's going down, ship's going down.
00:48:48Get to the top.
00:48:49Get to the top deck.
00:48:50Get to a lifeboat, right?
00:48:52And you stay doing that until about eight and a half seconds before it's too late.
00:48:59And then you can't do it anymore.
00:49:01The ship's going down.
00:49:03So you get up and you get on the last, you get the last seat on the lifeboat.
00:49:07Okay.
00:49:08What else can you do?
00:49:09Well, what about all the people I didn't get to?
00:49:12Well, what about all the people?
00:49:13But if you'd have gotten to them, you wouldn't have made it and you would have just gone down
00:49:16with them.
00:49:17Did you see?
00:49:18You go up and down the corridor, right?
00:49:21Hey, hey, get up.
00:49:22Ship's going down.
00:49:23Get up.
00:49:24And maybe people believe you.
00:49:26Maybe they don't.
00:49:27I'm a ship's engineer.
00:49:28I know this for a fact.
00:49:29Get your kids.
00:49:30Get up.
00:49:31Get to the top deck.
00:49:32Now.
00:49:34Leave your shit.
00:49:35It doesn't matter.
00:49:36Go now.
00:49:38Well, some people will look at you like you're crazy.
00:49:40Some people will gather up their stuff.
00:49:42Other people will sleep through it.
00:49:43You do the maximum you can.
00:49:45You bang on the corridors.
00:49:46You bang on the doors.
00:49:47You tell people what's going on.
00:49:50What else can you do?
00:49:51I mean, are you going to go down to the bowels of the ship and pull people out of their bunks
00:49:56and slap them in the face and splash cold water in their face and drown with them?
00:49:59That doesn't seem wise.
00:50:01Now, I don't think it's right if you know the ship's sinking to just slowly slither up.
00:50:05Hey, everything's fine, everybody.
00:50:08The ship isn't tilting.
00:50:09You're probably just a little seasick.
00:50:10You just stay here.
00:50:12Have some rum.
00:50:13It's fine.
00:50:14Oh, that water.
00:50:16That's somebody just a toilet.
00:50:18It's still flushing.
00:50:19Honestly, there's nothing to worry about.
00:50:20Just right.
00:50:21So you don't want to do that.
00:50:22That's dishonorable.
00:50:24And so you want to help people and you want to tell them what's coming and tell them where
00:50:29to go.
00:50:30Hashtag the lifeboat is Bitcoin.
00:50:32But you want to tell people the danger and you want to tell them how to save themselves,
00:50:38but not to the point where you drown with them.
00:50:41So, well, you know.
00:50:42Sorry.
00:50:43Go ahead.
00:50:45Keeping to that analogy, you know, it really does feel a little hopeless.
00:50:50I mean, the powers that be the captain that's steering the ship, you know, it's one thing
00:50:55to sleep at the wheel and hit an iceberg.
00:50:57It's another thing for them to purposely hit the iceberg and put us all to doom.
00:51:04You know what I mean?
00:51:05Well, no, no, not us all.
00:51:07No, not us all.
00:51:07What do you mean?
00:51:08Well, everyone that's on the ship.
00:51:10No, no, no.
00:51:11Hang on.
00:51:12Hang on.
00:51:12Hang on.
00:51:13Sure.
00:51:14I mean, they can't doom everybody.
00:51:17Because as freedoms disappear from one country, there is a market opportunity, an arbitrage,
00:51:27if you will.
00:51:28So, as freedoms disappeared in Europe, everyone went to America, right?
00:51:34In the past.
00:51:35The New World.
00:51:36Or Canada, right?
00:51:37Now, if freedoms are disappearing in, let's say, the West as a whole, whatever, if freedoms
00:51:46are diminishing, yes, they are, well, what's going to happen is a country or set of countries
00:51:51is going to lay out the welcome mat.
00:51:55This is what has happened historically.
00:51:57They'll lay out the welcome mat and they'll say, you're welcome here.
00:52:01Come on over.
00:52:03Because they want the refugees, so to speak.
00:52:06So, now, might this not happen?
00:52:10Oh, I mean, historically, it generally has happened.
00:52:12The more oppression there is, the more value there is for a country to open its borders
00:52:20to sort of selected people who are high value and stuff like that because they're so good
00:52:24for the economy.
00:52:25I don't know.
00:52:25Could be Dubai.
00:52:26Could be Hong Kong.
00:52:28Could be El Salvador.
00:52:29Could be, I don't know.
00:52:30Maybe one of the Western countries will turn around.
00:52:33I know they're trying to do that in America right now.
00:52:35So, there are lifeboats.
00:52:37Not everyone is going down with the ship.
00:52:40There are lifeboats.
00:52:41I don't know what they're going to look like.
00:52:43Hey, you know, Alberta is thinking of breaking away from Canada.
00:52:45Maybe they'll create a bit of a Northern Shangri-La with some actual freedoms.
00:52:50It could be any number of things.
00:52:51You just need to stay nimble, stay alert, stay mobile, and gather value.
00:52:57So, that would be my suggestion.
00:53:01Okay.
00:53:02Okay.
00:53:03Yeah, no, I hear that.
00:53:04Thank you for that answer.
00:53:07Do you have time for one more or do you want to move on?
00:53:08No, no, no.
00:53:09I don't want to monopolize.
00:53:10So, my last question had to do with the spanking debate that you had.
00:53:18And I just want to let you know that I'm against spanking.
00:53:21I have a couple of memories of being spanked when I was a child.
00:53:25But one of the arguments that you made during the debate and one of the arguments that you made after the debate was that, you know, if you mess up in the outside world, you're not going to get spanked.
00:53:38And so, it just doesn't make sense that if someone messes up in the home that you spank them.
00:53:42It just doesn't make any sense.
00:53:43And then I was also listening to your previous stories about how, you know, when you were in boarding school, you had gotten a cane, which I guess is kind of akin to, like, a spanking.
00:53:57It's just a little bit more painful.
00:53:58Is that fair?
00:53:59Probably a lot.
00:54:00But, yeah, yeah.
00:54:01It's in the same vein.
00:54:02Yeah.
00:54:03Right.
00:54:03And, you know, I was thinking at that time, you know, you wouldn't make that same argument that, well, I'm going to spank you at home because you could get spanked.
00:54:13Spanked out into the world.
00:54:15The logic would be that the spanking is just inherently wrong and you'd have to figure out why you have, you know, figured out why, which is great, which is great.
00:54:27But my question is that in the home, the dynamic in the home is different from the dynamic out in the world.
00:54:37You had mentioned previously that, you know, socialism in the home is all right, but outside in the actual real world, free market, capitalism, I agree with all of that.
00:54:48I think that is the best way.
00:54:51Very much the smallest government ever, the minimal government ever, or no government at all would be ideal.
00:54:58But my question, I'm trying to get to it, gosh, my question is that if in the home you're following the same values as you do out in a world that would be free market, anarcho-capitalist, why would socialism in the home still be okay?
00:55:18Wouldn't you want to reprimand or adjust to get them prepared for outside in the real world?
00:55:27But I also understand that the home should also be a safe haven.
00:55:30So I'm just trying to pair the two of why the outcomes are different following the same principles.
00:55:36Could you just boil that down a little bit?
00:55:37I lost a little bit in the language.
00:55:38No, that's fine.
00:55:40No, you might have done it just fine.
00:55:41Maybe I've just been seeing some things.
00:55:42Okay.
00:55:43So socialism in the home is okay, but socialism out in the real world is not okay.
00:55:49I think we would both agree with that.
00:55:51Is that fair?
00:55:52Well, I mean, it's an analogy, right?
00:55:54So socialism is a political system from each according to their ability to each according to their needs.
00:56:01Now, that's how it works in the family, but in the family, it's voluntary.
00:56:06Right?
00:56:06So having children is voluntary.
00:56:08Getting married is voluntary.
00:56:10Keeping children is also voluntary.
00:56:14Like, I'm sure you're aware that a woman can decide she doesn't want to be a mother.
00:56:21She can take her kids to the hospital, the fire station, the police station.
00:56:25She can just say, nope, I don't want to be a mother anymore.
00:56:28And they will find a home for the children and so on, right?
00:56:31So in the family, everything is voluntary.
00:56:37So it's kind of like an analogy, and it's a way of explaining why socialism is so attractive to people, because that's how things work voluntarily in the family.
00:56:45And so they think that's how it works voluntarily in politics, but politics is not voluntary.
00:56:52You know, my wife lives with me, but not locked in the basement, right?
00:56:56So, well, hey, if I lock her in the basement, I guess she's still living with me.
00:57:00It's like, yeah, but it's kind of different.
00:57:02One is legal, one is not.
00:57:04So, or one is moral, not is not, one is not.
00:57:06So if you say socialism is fine in the home, but not in society, that is not a contradiction, because it's saying charity in the family, which is voluntary, is good.
00:57:20Violent redistribution in society is not good.
00:57:23So that's one of the challenges of this as an analogy, is that you're not saying to your kids, socialism is mysteriously bad in society, but good in the family.
00:57:36The explanation is families operate on from each according to their ability to each according to their needs.
00:57:43So the man goes out and makes a bunch of money.
00:57:45He gives it to his wife and kids so that they can survive and flourish and culture can be transmitted and all that kind of good stuff.
00:57:51So that's all voluntary.
00:57:54So you don't say, well, mommy and daddy want to go on vacation.
00:57:58You don't say to your six-year-old, mommy and daddy want to go on vacation.
00:58:01So you have to go down the salt mines of Kessel to make us some money, because that wouldn't make much sense.
00:58:09So it's not socialism in the home, because socialism is a political theory based upon coercion.
00:58:17But it is the most able should provide resources to the least able.
00:58:22That's a principle that is in the family.
00:58:24Now, that's what's sold as socialism, because what happens in socialism and social democracies is they pretend that it's not coercive.
00:58:34Right. So they pretend, well, no, it's a social contract.
00:58:38Well, no, you get to vote.
00:58:39Well, no, blah, blah, blah.
00:58:39Right. So so they pretend that it's voluntary.
00:58:42Well, you if you if you didn't like the country, you could just leave.
00:58:46And it's like, well, you know, you can't.
00:58:48Right. Because lots of countries have like exit taxes.
00:58:50And in the U.S., they'll tax your income no matter where you go.
00:58:53And so it's not just like just leave.
00:58:56Right. You know, it's not like some hotel.
00:58:58If you don't like the hotel, you can just check out.
00:58:59It's like, well, yeah, but what if they keep your kidney if you check out?
00:59:02It's a little different. Right.
00:59:03So it's a way of saying that the voluntary transfer of resources from the most able to the least able is what family is.
00:59:14And then people pretend that it's voluntary in society, but it's not.
00:59:18So the difference is the force.
00:59:21Pardon me, Root.
00:59:22The force or the non.
00:59:24I meant to mute there.
00:59:26But I did.
00:59:26The force versus the non force element of it.
00:59:30So I don't think my daughter thinks that we are socialist at home because it's all voluntary and or that socialism out in the world is voluntary because it's not.
00:59:39OK, I think that squares the question.
00:59:44In my mind, I was thinking of an anarcho capitalist society, and I don't have a vivid picture of what that looks like.
00:59:51You've written books on it.
00:59:53So you're.
00:59:53Oh, you should read my.
00:59:54Yeah, you should read my novel.
00:59:56It's free.
00:59:56My novel called The Future at freedom.com slash books.
01:00:00Yeah, it's a it's a great book, and it goes into as much detail as I can about a free society, how it looks in practice.
01:00:08OK, I could take a look at that.
01:00:10I do have your physical copy of the peaceful parenting kind of ramping up to that.
01:00:14So.
01:00:14OK, great.
01:00:16I'll look into it.
01:00:17Thank you so much.
01:00:17I appreciate the time.
01:00:19Great questions.
01:00:20I really appreciate the conversation.
01:00:21You're certainly welcome back any time.
01:00:23All right.
01:00:25Sharona, you have been very patient.
01:00:27I appreciate that.
01:00:28Thank you so much.
01:00:29And I am all ears if you are still with us, but you will need to unmute.
01:00:36Going once, going twice.
01:00:38No, sorry.
01:00:39Sorry about that.
01:00:40No, no, it's fine.
01:00:41I know there's a lag.
01:00:41So that's not that's not on you.
01:00:43So what's on your mind?
01:00:44Thank you for your patience.
01:00:45Do you hear me?
01:00:46Plenty?
01:00:47Yeah.
01:00:48I'm sorry.
01:00:49Can you hear me plenty?
01:00:50Yes, I got you.
01:00:52OK.
01:00:53OK.
01:00:55So I'm just still in question.
01:00:58Not really questions.
01:00:59They are off topic, especially because you just spoke about, you know, how society is.
01:01:07We are not promoting families and having kids and things like that.
01:01:13So off topic.
01:01:15I haven't listened to you for more than a decade.
01:01:19I'm a quiet listener, let's just say.
01:01:22My brother, elder brother, introduced me to you and been a...
01:01:29Anyway, anyway, to go straight, my same elder brother right now has a...
01:01:35I don't know if I should call it a conspiracy theory, very much about...
01:01:41He's very pro-Africa, specifically Nigeria.
01:01:45There are a certain tribe in Nigeria, the Ibonis, that's the very colonization, making, for example, like different African countries, like Nigeria, having different tribes.
01:02:02Sorry, it's your older brother, right?
01:02:04Is he Nigerian?
01:02:05Why is he...
01:02:06Yes, he is Nigerian.
01:02:09I'm also Nigerian.
01:02:11OK, so he's a big fan.
01:02:12And where do you guys live?
01:02:14Used to be.
01:02:15Used to be.
01:02:16Now, used to be.
01:02:18I guess he would still listen to you once in a while, but he has a theory that you even
01:02:27believe in this, like most white people, he believes most white people intentionally like
01:02:34the downfall of Africans.
01:02:37I don't know if you're familiar with the story of Babylon, you know, how they were building
01:02:41the tower and, you know, God said, make them speak different languages.
01:02:46But he believes the colonization intentionally did things like this to Africa, you know,
01:02:52and that's why Africa doesn't progress and things like that.
01:02:56And, you know, there were times where we have debates and I even tell him, like, do you
01:02:59think Stefan even believes in things like this?
01:03:02And he's like, yes.
01:03:04Sorry, I believe.
01:03:05So I believe that that like like white people just sadistically divide and carve up African
01:03:10nation states to what?
01:03:13Prevent progress.
01:03:14And, you know, the 50 trillion dollars has been sent to Africa since the Second World
01:03:20War.
01:03:20And like white people did that because we hate Africa or Africans.
01:03:25Is that right?
01:03:27Something like that.
01:03:28Something or it's intentional.
01:03:30Like the prosperity of Africa was certain.
01:03:35If when colonization happened or it's, for example, it's white people, when white people
01:03:41were leaving, why didn't they leave it as individual tribes?
01:03:44And why did they intentionally, for example, Nigeria has over 200 tribes, totally different.
01:03:51Yeah.
01:03:51The only thing you can say, okay, skin color, that's it.
01:03:53But intentionally putting 200 different tribes in one place.
01:04:00He believes he was intentional.
01:04:03You know, and...
01:04:04Okay.
01:04:04So hang on.
01:04:05Hang on.
01:04:05Sorry to interrupt.
01:04:06Okay.
01:04:06So let's say that was intentional.
01:04:09I don't know if we can read the minds of people from the colonial times or whatever.
01:04:16Okay.
01:04:16So let's say it was intentional.
01:04:19What would that have to do with white?
01:04:21Like what would the actions of a tiny, tiny group of colonial administrators, what would
01:04:28that have to do with white people as a whole?
01:04:30Would that be like saying, well, gee, all blacks are super fast because Usain Bolt, right?
01:04:35Like that's just him, right?
01:04:37I mean, it's just a minority of one, so to speak, right?
01:04:41So what would that have to do with, I mean, white people didn't benefit from colonialism at
01:04:45all.
01:04:46White people were forced, they were dragged onto ships, they were forced to fight, they
01:04:51died of scurvy, like more British sailors, more white sailors died of scurvy than any
01:04:55kind of enemy combatants.
01:04:57They were sent to Africa, they were sent as administrators and as soldiers, and they died
01:05:02like flies from tropical diseases.
01:05:04The average life expectancy of a white person in Africa was 13 months because they just died.
01:05:10Like how did, I mean, I get that the people at the top, like the puppet masters, they want
01:05:15to paint the maps certain colors and so on.
01:05:19But how did white people benefit as a whole?
01:05:22I mean, individual, right?
01:05:23Forget all these big blobs.
01:05:25But how did, what's his theory if he said anything?
01:05:27Like how did the average white person who paid taxes to maintain the empire, and if the
01:05:32empire was so profitable, then why did England get rid of it right after World War II when
01:05:37it was broke?
01:05:38The average person paid a lot in taxes, they got hauled off to be in armies and navies and
01:05:45so on to rule this empire.
01:05:47How did the average white person benefit from colonialism?
01:05:50Again, I'm happy to hear the case, but I don't quite understand it.
01:05:54My apologies, but again, I'm just sort of repeating sort of his beliefs, so I'm not here to defend
01:06:04him, I'm not here to...
01:06:05No, no, I understand that, but he must, but if he's, but if he's saying white people, is
01:06:09his assumption that white people benefited from colonization?
01:06:12Very much, very much, or just the fact that Africa or different tribes in Africa would
01:06:20have taken over the Western civilization, the West, and the best way, they were like,
01:06:26okay, we have to sort of let go of Africa, the whole Africa was broke, sorry, the West
01:06:31was, England was getting broke, and you know, of course, sort of, there's a touch of progressivism
01:06:36and like, okay, we can't have, we can't be the masters and enslave people and things
01:06:41like that, um, he believes when they were finally leaving, they were like, okay, we're
01:06:45leaving, let's just put all of them together and just have like a little Babylon where they
01:06:50all constantly fight with each other, they'll never be progressivism, because if we let them
01:06:53go, for example, one of his beliefs is that if we left and we had individual tribes, had
01:07:00their own nation, for example, the tribe that I'm from, which pretty much has an empire,
01:07:06there was a big empire before, um, before the whites came, and you can sort of do your
01:07:12sort of research on that, Yoruba Empire, he believes, um, you know, for example, that tribe
01:07:18would have taken over so much and even conquered the West as well, or England, or whatever,
01:07:23so, um, sorry, sorry, hang on, hang on, hang on, sorry, so he's saying that, sorry, which
01:07:30country did the, I know countries are sort of a colonial thing, but which country did
01:07:34the tribe come from that he thought would conquer England?
01:07:38Um, it's a tribe in, the country is Nigeria, and there's a tribe there that had, that was
01:07:48an empire, even before, literally, it was an empire, even before, um, before the West
01:07:56came, before whites came, before British came, uh, they were trading with even Portuguese,
01:08:01and he believed, you know, it's, it was intentional, he goes into, goes deep, and he's like, the
01:08:09lowest IQ, when even the British were leaving, they gave the power to the lowest IQ group of,
01:08:15or ethnicity, or, or culture, pretty much, and he believes it's all intentional, he, you
01:08:22know, and, and, I, I just, also, just to cut the long story short, I think, I want, I would
01:08:29like for you to just, uh, I don't know how this just sounds wrong to say, but for you to
01:08:34just verbally say, like, you don't, because he believes even you think so, you like it that
01:08:40the, the West, or white people are on top, you know, you know, and, oh, you always talk
01:08:46about how I, sorry, hang on, hang on, hang on, yeah, I'm listening, I'm listening, white
01:08:50people are the top in what?
01:08:52Just in general, in general, don't give me this in general, because, I mean, I'll give
01:08:57an example, I'll give an example of what you think.
01:08:59Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, yeah, so, white people, white people are not the highest
01:09:03IQ, white people are not the highest earners, yeah, so, what is it that he thinks white
01:09:11people are on top of?
01:09:13Okay, off the top of my head, okay, so, again, I'm not defending him, I'm just, these are things
01:09:20that we talk about, so, off the top of my head, for example, you know, the promotion
01:09:25of, say, in Hollywood, you know, if you ask any black, Indian, Pakistani, almost all other
01:09:33race, the white male, or the white female, who most people would want to, I don't know,
01:09:40mate with, marry, and they're on top of the pyramid, for example, to beauty standard, that's
01:09:46what they've, that's what, this is one of his examples, part of his example, so, something
01:09:52like that, that's one thing he believes is intentional, and why is it that almost all
01:09:59sexist from different races and different cultures, countries, only once, or see white, the definition
01:10:07of white beauty at the top of the pyramid, you know, yeah, he would still save monetarily,
01:10:14like, money-wise, like, you know, the West has a lot of money, compared to, you know, they
01:10:20are more developed, they took a lot of resources from Africa, and, you know, and that's how they
01:10:25built their own empire, so, India, things like that, so, these are just examples.
01:10:31Uh-huh.
01:10:32Yeah.
01:10:32So, does he say, does he, does he believe that white people are considered the standard
01:10:37for physical attractiveness?
01:10:39Yes, pretty much, pretty much, yes.
01:10:42I would kind of say yes to that, in general, in general, and, uh, Hollywood, and the whole
01:10:49promotion of it, and, and, yeah, and, yeah, pretty much, yeah.
01:10:55So, was it, um, is it, like, sexual jealousy that, that whites are considered more attractive
01:11:02than blacks?
01:11:03Is, is it, is that the issue that he feels low on that standard of attractiveness?
01:11:09Again, this is just an example, um, yeah, but, uh, yeah, sexuality in terms of, which,
01:11:19it is true, if you were to just randomly find a random person in, I don't know, in, I don't
01:11:27know, Abu Dhabi, and you told the person, hey, you know, would you rather have a girlfriend
01:11:32from your own state, or, or have a girlfriend in the West, or have a girlfriend in, I don't
01:11:39know, Ameroon, or have a girlfriend in Ghana, you know, in general, you know, top two would
01:11:45always be Western, white, male or female.
01:11:50Oh, so then he would feel, like, more rejected, or he wouldn't be able to compete, or something
01:11:55like that?
01:11:56Uh-huh, uh-huh, and that is, you know, they're not, uh, for example, like, white, um, sorry,
01:12:04black people, or Africans are not, they don't see their own beauty as a proper standard, you
01:12:11know, they, they don't, uh, they don't believe in, like, natural hair, you know, the whole
01:12:16wearing of the traditional clothes, for example, you know, he has a big wearing of the traditional
01:12:22clothes instead of, why is it that we all have to wear suits, and that's what, what is
01:12:26classic, so that's what is, you know, you're going for an interview, why can't I wear my
01:12:30African, you know, there's, like, a wardrobe, I buy that, why can't I wear that, why can't
01:12:35that be the, the, the, the norm, you know, why do I have to wear suits to a, um, accountant's
01:12:43interview in Nigeria, you know, things like that, just, and he believes it's all intentional.
01:12:51Oh, that it's intentional, that, that, yeah, white beauty standards are promoted to humiliate
01:12:56people like your brother, is that right?
01:13:00Not just humiliates, not just, he believes not just humiliate, but also to remain
01:13:05dominant, to remain in control, um, he believes, you know, he's, he has sort of said something
01:13:11like this, that it's pretty much, it's, white people are also aware of it, and I remember
01:13:16literally using your name, because he introduced me to you, uh, and I was like, do you think
01:13:21when DeFance talks about IQ, and talks about, you know, you've, you've had, you know, with
01:13:26your, with your PowerPoint, uh, blue background, uh, sort of, not Africa, anyway, um, when you
01:13:33talk about, you've spoken about some African countries and leaders, um, like, I'm like,
01:13:39do you think Stefan is doing this intentionally, do you think he knows, and he's like, he knows
01:13:44the potential of Africa, and, and, you know, it's just white people, and he's intentionally
01:13:49doing it so that white people remain, you know, at the top of the food chain, and, oh,
01:13:54and, and he's like, uh, yes, he knows, and I'm like, what?
01:13:58So, sorry, I'm a little, sorry, um, I'm just a little confused, like, if white people were
01:14:03at the top of the food chain, then why has the white population, as a percentage of the
01:14:09world, gone from 30% to, like, 8%?
01:14:14If, if, if, if white people are just winning and doing, uh, everything to stay on top, then
01:14:19why would, say, white countries become less white, or why would there be fewer and fewer
01:14:23whites in the world as a whole if white people were just so much in charge and, and dominating
01:14:30and bossing and getting their own way all the time?
01:14:33Yeah, and, uh, if you, if I want to go even deeper, I've, I've not said exactly, which is
01:14:38a very good point, um, you know, I've not said, uh, he has even said, um, almost the elite
01:14:46amongst, like, white people are, even, for example, the reduction in population is, is sort
01:14:52of intentional, like, the, amongst the elite white people, like, they're intentionally
01:14:58doing this, and they have a master plan, and, like, 30, 40 years from now, you know, the
01:15:04outcome would sort of reverse and be in favor of white people, and, you know, I just...
01:15:09Okay, I'm sorry, I, I just find this, I just, very incoherent.
01:15:13So, wait, white people are diminishing their own percentage of the world population in order
01:15:17to win in 40 years?
01:15:20Something like that, something like that.
01:15:22Something like that.
01:15:23So, sorry, it's, it's tough to debate somebody who's not here.
01:15:27So, uh, what, what is it that I can help you with in terms of a specific question?
01:15:32Okay, um, I think my, my next question is, um, there is, um, just, there's currently, like,
01:15:42um, I was listening to a, a video on YouTube about, um, multi-different mind, people from
01:15:53different race marrying each other.
01:15:55Um, is there sort of any, do you have any, what are the sort of negatives, positives from
01:16:04your, if you have any statistics about its downfall, it's, it's...
01:16:10Oh, like, uh, biracial marriages?
01:16:12Yes, yes.
01:16:14Well, you know, I mean, if two people love each other, I mean, and they want to get married,
01:16:17obviously they can get married.
01:16:18That's, that's totally fine.
01:16:19But I do think that it's important to recognize that biracial children have generally more
01:16:28identity issues.
01:16:29They can have more mental health issues.
01:16:31They can have more health issues as a whole.
01:16:34And the reasons for that are multivaried and, and there's lots of debate about all of that.
01:16:41But again, it's not a hundred percent, obviously, right?
01:16:43But I do think that it's important to be aware that if you're going to get into a biracial
01:16:48marriage and you are having children, that your children will face some unique challenges
01:16:54as a result of being biracial that are going to be difficult for them.
01:16:59And if you want to do that, obviously that's, you know, it's a free, it's a big country and
01:17:04it's a free world and you can do that.
01:17:06But if you are going to do that, then I would just, as, as parents, you should be aware
01:17:11of the extra challenges in terms of identity.
01:17:14I mean, you know, with the, with the, uh, the black white kids, uh, sometimes there's
01:17:19a perception that they're too white for black people and too black for white people.
01:17:23And, and they sort of fall in between the gaps and there can be sort of identity issues
01:17:27and so on.
01:17:28So it is a challenge.
01:17:30I'm not, you know, I'm not agreeing that these issues should be there, but it is as descriptive,
01:17:34not prescriptive, but the fact is that those issues are there and, uh, it, it can be a
01:17:40challenge for the kids.
01:17:41So it's something that people should think about with regards to biracial relationships.
01:17:47Of course, if they love each other and they're aware of these issues and can help their kids
01:17:49navigate them, that's fine, of course.
01:17:51Right.
01:17:52But I just think the more knowledge is better, if that makes sense.
01:17:56Yeah, that, that, that makes sense.
01:17:57Um, yeah, that makes sense.
01:17:59I think I'll, I won't, uh, take a time.
01:18:02I just have one last question.
01:18:04Um, I know you have spoke about, uh, capitalism, socialism, and, and how, this is sort of my
01:18:13question.
01:18:15Why, for example, Elon Musk or all the very, very rich people, I always feel like, why don't
01:18:23they ever, not like I'm promoting socialism, but if the destruction of your community, say,
01:18:32for example, Apple, the reason why, um, China was able to go as far as they went, um, you
01:18:38know, I, I think Apple played a major role in that.
01:18:41For example, other countries and other factors played a role in that.
01:18:45Sorry, what did you say?
01:18:46Apple?
01:18:47Apple, the company.
01:18:48Oh, Apple.
01:18:48So Apple, like you mean by deciding to invest in China rather than Africa.
01:18:52Yes.
01:18:53Rather than, rather than, say, for example, America specifically now.
01:18:58The destruction of their own society just so that the company can make more profits.
01:19:05And this is happening across the board in general.
01:19:08Like, you know, companies will do things, even if it means companies will do things,
01:19:13not thinking about their community or their country or their, their, their, I don't know,
01:19:19their state as well.
01:19:20As long as the company is making, and this is, this is capitalism.
01:19:23I mean, so why do.
01:19:25Okay.
01:19:25Hang on.
01:19:25Hang on.
01:19:25Hang on.
01:19:27So.
01:19:27Yes.
01:19:28But companies think much more about their communities than governments do because if
01:19:34a company offends its community, they can boycott the company and drive it out of business,
01:19:38but you can't boycott the government, right?
01:19:41So, so companies have to be responsive to their customers.
01:19:44Now, if their customers are governments, that's, but that's not capitalism, right?
01:19:48So if, if China, if Apple in China has these terrible work conditions and people find out
01:19:56about it and they start boycotting Apple, then Apple will have to fix the, the issues
01:20:01in China, or it's going to lose a lot of money.
01:20:04And if you compare that to say the Chinese government, if the Chinese government is doing
01:20:09bad things, then what can the average Chinese, Chinese person do?
01:20:14You can always vote with your wallet, but politics is largely immune to that.
01:20:19You say, ah, yes, well, but you get a vote every couple of years.
01:20:22And it's like, well, that's true.
01:20:23But the politicians are under no obligation to fulfill what they promise.
01:20:29There's no contract.
01:20:31They don't have to do it.
01:20:32And, um, that there, study after study have shown that there's almost no correlation between
01:20:38what the people want and what governments actually do.
01:20:40So if people are going to say, well, you know, but the, the big corporations, they, they don't
01:20:45care about their communities.
01:20:46It's like, but they care a lot more about their communities than governments do because
01:20:51governments, uh, governments can just borrow print and tax money without your consent, but
01:20:56companies can't get your money without you buying something, uh, of your own free will
01:21:01in capitalism.
01:21:02So it's fine to say that, you know, people in capitalism, they prefer a profit over the
01:21:08community.
01:21:09And yeah, I'm sure that's true for some, but it's infinitely more true than it is.
01:21:13It's infinitely more true of governments.
01:21:15Which is, you are right.
01:21:17And I do agree, but then can you explain why, for example, top 10 biggest company in the
01:21:23world, you know, Nvidia, Apple's things like, you know, Microsoft, um, why are they getting
01:21:29bigger, stronger?
01:21:31And America, for example, the average American is getting poorer, um, even upper class, you
01:21:40know, it's getting, everything's just getting worse for them in general, as a whole.
01:21:45Um, sure.
01:21:46I mean, I can, yeah, I can talk about that very, very briefly.
01:21:49It's a, it's a big topic.
01:21:49So there's a couple of, I think there's sort of three major reasons.
01:21:52The first is that when the government...
01:21:54May I just add one, may I just add one more, just one more quick sentence to that?
01:21:58Uh-huh.
01:21:58For example, Apple just, uh, sorry, Microsoft just fired, I don't know, it was like 13,000
01:22:04or, uh, 13,000 or 1,300 staff members, you know, and they made a profit of that quarter,
01:22:11they made a profit of like $26 billion.
01:22:15I'm like, I'm not pro-socialism or free, free money or something like that, but that's funny.
01:22:22Even if it's 10 billion, I'm so sure it can pay, like, and that's just a quarter, uh,
01:22:28the profits that they made.
01:22:29It can pay the salary of those people they fired.
01:22:33Why?
01:22:34And if they fired those people, it's going to affect so many companies, so many other families,
01:22:39it's going to cause divorce, it's going to cause...
01:22:42Then, so that's another example where I'm like, I know I'm not socialist, I'm not a
01:22:46socialist or communist or whatever, but I'm like, I don't get it.
01:22:49You're still in your own country just to make profit.
01:22:54I don't know.
01:22:55I'm like, if I'm that...
01:22:56Okay, you said a sentence, bro.
01:22:57Come on.
01:22:58Come on.
01:22:59Come on.
01:23:00Don't go for a rant here.
01:23:02Don't, don't, don't cheat me and then say the companies are cheating.
01:23:05All right.
01:23:06So have you, and I'm sorry, this sounds like a jerky question and I apologize for that,
01:23:11but have you ever run a business that is substantial?
01:23:15I would definitely say no to that.
01:23:16Okay, so one of the things that businesses do is they don't just have payroll and profits,
01:23:22they also pay out a share, they have share prices.
01:23:26And so they're in competition for investment dollars with every other company.
01:23:30So if there is, if there are useless people or people who are counterproductive on the
01:23:36payroll, if you don't get rid of them, but your competitor does, people will sell your
01:23:40stocks and buy your competitor's stocks.
01:23:42So one of the things, of course, that's happened is code, AI is writing a lot of code.
01:23:49And so you probably need, at least that's the perception, you need fewer engineers.
01:23:53So it's not a matter of just payroll and profit.
01:23:55It's a matter of the overall value of the company.
01:23:59And if you have, like, let's say that there's a bunch of tech companies and 5% or 10% of the
01:24:05workforce is being laid off because of AI, but you don't do that, then what happens is
01:24:09people will say, oh, so they're not running it efficiently, they're keeping a bunch of
01:24:13people around who don't need to be there, so I'm going to sell their shares because their
01:24:16management is making bad decisions, they're going to sell, I'm going to sell their shares
01:24:19and I'm going to buy their competitor's shares, which destroys the value of the company and
01:24:24also the chief executives can get sued for fiduciary malfeasance, which is if you make decisions
01:24:32that are clearly going to harm the value of the stock, you can get sued by the shareholders
01:24:35because you're there to protect and expand the value of the stock, which means you have
01:24:40to be pretty ruthlessly efficient in the business.
01:24:44So that's one aspect.
01:24:45Now, as to why these companies are getting bigger, there's a couple of reasons.
01:24:48One is that the government keeps printing money and the money goes to the wealthy first.
01:24:53So they get, like, the people who are well-connected, right?
01:24:56So if the government prints a bunch of money and uses it to pay for a bunch of services from
01:25:00some company, then the people who get that money get to spend it at full value and then
01:25:05by the time it gets to their employees, it's like half value than it used to be.
01:25:09So the wealthy always profit from central banking because they get access to the money first and
01:25:15then the people at the bottom get the dripping nothingness, the water down money is number one.
01:25:22Number two is that there are so many regulations that have to be followed, especially post what's
01:25:30sort of called the so-called Civil Rights Act and so on, where you have all of these regulations
01:25:34and diversity quotas and HR standards and requirements and, like, the Federal Registry
01:25:39has hundreds of thousands of pages of regulations.
01:25:42So small companies can't compete because they cannot ever know whether they're doing things
01:25:46that are illegal or not.
01:25:47Large companies have big lobbying to get the government to act in their favor.
01:25:51Large companies have big legal and accounting departments to make sure that they can stay
01:25:55in compliance.
01:25:56So when small to medium-sized companies simply can't compete, then the large companies can
01:26:01charge more because they don't have people nipping at their heels driving the price down.
01:26:08And so the government loves the poor and loves the wealthy.
01:26:13The wealthy like the government because they could use it to stay wealthy and get wealthier.
01:26:17The poor love the government because they get free stuff.
01:26:19And the middle class don't like the government, which is why the middle class is constantly targeted.
01:26:23They were very much targeted under the COVID era.
01:26:25So, yeah, it's just government power.
01:26:27Government power benefits the wealthy and harms the middle class.
01:26:32The government power benefits the rich and the poor and harms the middle class.
01:26:36So I think that's probably the main reasons.
01:26:39All right.
01:26:39Thanks for that.
01:26:41Thanks for that.
01:26:41Just one last question, which would be one sentence.
01:26:44Do you ever plan on doing like a tour in, not like a tour, but just in Canada pretty much?
01:26:51Do you have a plan on visiting BC anytime?
01:26:55I mean, I'd love to visit BC.
01:26:56The last time I tried to visit BC, I couldn't do a speech because of the usual Obama death threats
01:27:01and all kinds of terrible stuff.
01:27:03So unfortunately, the political climate and the climate of anti-free speech and hysteria
01:27:10is such that practical tours in Canada are not feasible because free speech is opposed
01:27:18these days with pretty hellacious levels of violence.
01:27:22So if I do do speeches, it would have to be in some place with the First Amendment or some
01:27:28place with an effective police force that could perhaps control this level of violence.
01:27:31But unfortunately, I did try to give speeches with Lauren Southern years ago in BC, but it
01:27:36proved impossible because of the amount of threats and violence.
01:27:41So sadly, it is not to be.
01:27:43All right, my friends, I really appreciate the conversation.
01:27:46If your brother wants to call in and we can chew the fat about colonialism or evil whitey,
01:27:52that would be totally fine.
01:27:54And I really do appreciate you calling in today.
01:27:56I do appreciate everybody who came by today.
01:27:59Thank you for a lovely chat.
01:28:00Always such a pleasure.
01:28:01Such an absolute pleasure, honor, and privilege to talk about these lovely ideas with you
01:28:06beautiful, beautiful people.
01:28:07Have yourself a great day or two.
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