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Senator Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan on Tuesday, October 7 cited in contempt two persons believed to have been used by smugglers as their “dummy” after they refuse to divulge the full name of the Bureau of Customs (BOC) official they used to transact with. (Video courtesy of Senate of the Philippines)
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00:00Sir, Mr. Tenero and Disagon were instructed to explain in writing why you should it be cited for contempt.
00:13So far, Mr. Chair complied and they have submitted the written explanation.
00:20Before we proceed, we acknowledge the presence of Senator JV Ejercito.
00:26Would you like to have an opening statement?
00:30Yes, Mr. Chair. Good morning, everybody.
00:33Anyway, Mr. Chair, I already have a copy of the explanation of both Ms. Brenda Disagon and Luyan Arm Tenero,
00:46the brokers that were also here during the last hearing.
00:50But it seems that in their explanation, there's still a lot of inconsistencies.
00:58And I don't think these are accurate, Mr. Chair.
01:02So I'm sorry.
01:05It's difficult, but I moved Mr. Chair to cite them in contempt because I don't think they are very truthful
01:12in their explanation of why they should not be cited in contempt, Mr. Chair.
01:21Thank you, Mr.
01:23Thank you, Senator JV.
01:24May huling gusto pa ba inyong ipaliwanag apart from yung na bigayin ninyo sa inyong show cause letter?
01:34Ginoong Louis Jean?
01:38Good morning po, Mr. Chair.
01:40Good morning po.
01:41So hindi mo talaga kilala yung apelido ni Mr. Carlos?
01:44Yes po, Mr. Chair.
01:45Yun lang po talaga ang pakilala niya sa akin po.
01:47And at the same time po, sabi niya po, authorized representative po siya ng 1024 po.
01:56Mr. Chair, parang mahirap na mga paniwalaan na matagal na kayong nagtatransaksyon at malalaking amount.
02:05Mr. Chair, hindi naman ito ilan daang piso lang eh.
02:10Tapos hindi nyo kilala yung pagkatao, magtitiwala kayo.
02:13Paano kami maniniwala?
02:15Yun sana, pinagbibigyan ka ng pagkakataon na ating chairman na ipaliwanag, na convince kami na hindi ka nagsisinungaling.
02:22Paki, ano naman. Sige, bibigyan ko namin ang pagkakataon.
02:35Mr. Chair, yun lang po talaga ang pakilala niya po sa akin.
02:39Then the same time po, Mr. Chair, doon po sa nagsabing pagtitiwala po.
02:44Kasi po, Mr. Chair, hindi naman po kami magtitiwala po doon sa kausap namin or sa authorized representative po ng consignee po.
02:52Kasi, Mr. Chair, sila po may hawak po sila ng copy ng BL.
02:55Since po, Mr. Chair, pag may hawak ka po copy ng BL po, consignee at authorized representative niya lang po yung authorized na may hawak po noon.
03:04Then the same time po, nung nag-ludge po ko, exercising po yung diligence ko po, humingi po ako ng copy ng COR niya po, yung Certificate of Registration niya po.
03:15Then yung 2303 niya po. Kasi po, doon po sa dalawang docs na yun po, doon po namin sincheck po yung T-number niya po, kung co-asside po doon sa COR tsaka sa 2303 po.
03:27So, Mr. Tenero, very particular ka doon sa mga dokumento pero yung apelido, hindi mo alam.
03:34Actually, Mr. Chair, yun lang po talaga pakilala niya kasi siya po ang authorized representative.
03:38Ang pagkakaintindi ko po, siya po talaga yung authorized representative kasi siya po may hawak po noon.
03:42So, magtitiwala ka kahit na ang pangalan ay Pedro, Jose, Juan, Maria.
03:52Kasi po, Mr. Chair, sa kalakaran naman po namin sa port po, hindi naman po namin inano yung personal na details po.
04:02As long po yung documents po na bibigay po nila is accurate po.
04:08And then the same time po, yun po, nagtiwala din po ako kasi sabi niya po siya nga po yung authorized representative po nung 1024 po.
04:17All we are asking for is Mr. Carlos' last name and you refuse to answer.
04:24And therefore, because of your refusal to answer and there is a motion to cite you in contempt,
04:31you are hereby cited in contempt of this committee.
04:35May we request the, well, if the sergeant at arms can make a, if there is available a detention place here in the Senate,
04:49he will be detained here.
04:51If there is none available, we will have him detained in the Pasay City Jail.
04:56So ordered.
04:59Yes, you have the opportunity to speak up.
05:01Mr. Chair, sa totoo lang po, masyado na pong malaki talaga yung dagok na nangyari po sa akin.
05:09Kasi ako po, nagtatrabaho lang po ako, nagtatrabaho lang po ako ng maayos.
05:13Tapos po, ganun po yung gagawin sa amin.
05:16Kung kami man po, ako sa totoo lang po, Mr. Chair, nung last time po, nung pagkatapos po ng hearing,
05:22ilang beses po ako umiikot sa port area po.
05:25Mahanap po lang po siya.
05:27Kasi po, siya lang po talaga pong, alam pong makakasagot na lahat, Mr. Chair, eh.
05:31Kasi, si, ako po, nagtatrabaho lang ako kasi, ngayon po, pag-iisa na lang yung nanay ko.
05:39Kami na, ah, yung, ano po, hirap din po kami sa buhay.
05:44Yun na nga.
05:44Hal, ginaong tenero, 2017 ka pa, broker.
05:51Ang hirap namang paniwalaan na ilan taong ka ng broker, mag-isasampong taon na,
05:58at nakikipagkontrata ka o nakikipag-usap ka sa mga hindi mo kilala.
06:03Sana maintindihan mo.
06:05Hindi namin nais na ikaw ay ikulong.
06:09Baka sakali, sa ilang araw na ikaw ay nakapag-isip-isip,
06:14kung kinakailangan mo ng proteksyon ng Senado,
06:17ah, maibibigay ito sa'yo.
06:19Kung nais mong pumunta muli, bumalik sa port area,
06:24para hanapin kung sino itong Carlos na sinasabi mo,
06:28pwede kang samahan ng Sergeant at Arms ng Senado.
06:34Sa totoo lang po, Mr. Chair, hindi na po talaga magpapakita yung animal na yan, eh.
06:37Totoo lang po, hindi na po yan.
06:40Kasi kami po ngayon, nandito po kami.
06:42Sila po, nakaupo lang po sa kung saan po sila naroon po.
06:46Hindi namin alam, pinagtatawa na na nila kami.
06:48Kami yung humaharap dito na wala kaming kalam-alam sa loob ng container po na yan.
06:53Kung alam lang po namin yan, hindi namin sasagutin yan.
06:56Hindi namin, ano yan, Mr. Chair?
07:00Kasi po,
07:02agbibigay lang talaga kami sa BL, Mr. Chair.
07:04Pagdokumento lang pong hawak namin.
07:06Wala po kaming karabatan para buksan yung container niya.
07:08Wala po kaming, alam-alam kung ano pong pinaggagawa nila ng may-ari po yan.
07:13Kung ano po yung dokumento na ibibigay po sa amin.
07:16Kung ano po yung,
07:17kung sample po yung BL po na ibibigay sa amin,
07:19yun lang po yung dokumento.
07:20Yung packing list invoice po, yun lang po.
07:22Yun lang din po ang ilaladge po namin, Mr. Chair.
07:24Wala na po kaming ibang pagkukuha na ng information po niyan.
07:27Tapos po, ang labas po nung kanina doon.
07:31Sorry po, Mr. Chair.
07:33Sorry po.
07:34Nagiging ano lang po ako.
07:35Kasi iniisip ko po yung will.
07:36Ako tsaka yung family ko po eh.
07:39Kasi damay na po kami ditong lahat.
07:43Yung nanay ko po, muti ka na po nung nakaraan.
07:45Kasi hinimatay po dahil sa nangyari.
07:46Hindi ko na po.
07:47Hindi ko po mapuntahan.
07:50Dahil imbis na iuwi ko doon sa amin,
07:53ipapadala ko na lang po.
07:54Kasi kailangan nga po nila.
07:55Tapos ganito pa po nangyari, Mr. Chair.
07:58Kami po yung naano dito na kami po, as broker po.
08:03Dideklara lang po namin.
08:04Mr. Tenero.
08:06Mr. Tenero.
08:082017 ka pa broker.
08:11Baka meron kang ibang tapwa broker na maaaring tumulong sa'yo
08:15para bigyan ng identification nung si Carlos.
08:21Kaya,
08:21baka ayaw mo lang sabihin dahil natatakot ka.
08:26Mr. Chair,
08:27wala na po akong iluluwat.
08:29Yun po talaga ang alam kami.
08:31So wala kang ibang kilalang broker na maaaring kilala siya.
08:34Hindi ko na po alam, Mr. Chair,
08:35kung kilala niya kilala sa ibang broker po.
08:38Alamin natin,
08:40kung kinakailangan silang tawagan,
08:41kung kinakailangan mong puntahan,
08:43tutulo,
08:44bibigyan ka ng proteksyon.
08:46Alamin natin,
08:46yung mga kapwa mo broker na kasama mo ron,
08:49tanongin natin.
08:51Mr. Chair,
08:52we want to get to...
08:53Ayaw namin ikaw ikulong.
08:56Pero ikaw ang suse
08:58para malaman natin sino si Carlos.
09:01Ikaw ang suse.
09:02Ikaw ang suse.
09:05Tanongin natin yung mga kapwa mo broker.
09:09May mga broker.
09:10Wala kang kilalang broker.
09:11Wala kang ibang kilalang broker.
09:13O yun, yun.
09:14Yung marami na yun,
09:16patawag natin dito
09:18kung sinong may kakilala.
09:19Tutulungan ka namin.
09:20Pero ayaw namin,
09:24hindi kami naniniwala
09:25na hindi mo kilala si Mr. Carlos.
09:28Mr. Chair,
09:31sobra-sobra na po ang nangyayari.
09:33Siguro kung ikaw ay makapag-isip-isip
09:35dahil ikaw ay nasa
09:37nasa kustodian ng Senado,
09:39baka sakali,
09:40mapag-aralan mo
09:41kung ano ang mas magandang hakbang.
09:43In the meantime,
09:44you are cited in contempt of the Senate.
09:46And we do not,
09:47sabi ko sa opening statement,
09:49ayokong gawin ito.
09:50Hindi dapat ang maliliit
09:52ang nakukulong.
09:53Pero kung ito ang paraan
09:55para matigil na
09:56yung pagkakasangkapan sa inyo,
09:59na paulit-ulit na nangyayari,
10:02ikaw mismo nagsasabi,
10:03ilang beses mo nang ginagawa ito
10:05sa iba,
10:06na hindi
10:07ginagamit lang ang iyong lisensya,
10:10wala kang kinalaman,
10:12iba ang mga
10:12kumikilos,
10:14iba ang pumupondo.
10:16So,
10:17we will leave it at that.
10:20We now call on.
10:22So,
10:33meron daw tin,
10:35tax identification number si Carlos,
10:37nabanggit mo?
10:40Your Honor,
10:40yung tax identification number po nun,
10:42yun po yung nasa COR po,
10:44nasa consignee po yun,
10:45yung 1024 consumer goods trading po.
10:48So,
10:481024,
10:50tin ng 1024,
10:51hindi ni Carlos.
10:51doon po,
10:52yun po yung minibase kami na mag-lodge po.
10:54Wala na po kami ibang,
10:56alam dyan kung ano,
10:57anong ginagawa nila dyan sa internal po nila.
11:00Kami po,
11:00hanggang dokumento lang po kami.
11:02Kami pa po ang,
11:03ano dito.
11:05Okay,
11:06we will proceed.
11:10Brenda Desagon,
11:12ng Burchase Consumer Goods Trading.
11:14Okay,
11:18Mr.
11:20Okay,
11:21Mr.
11:21Tenero
11:22Carlos.
11:24Okay,
11:24Ms.
11:25Brenda
11:25Vicente.
11:28So,
11:29pareho kasi ang estilo ninyo eh.
11:31Hindi nyo kilala,
11:33alam lang ninyo,
11:34first name,
11:35pumirma kayo,
11:36pumayag kayo,
11:38million-million ang halaga.
11:39May motion to cite you in contempt,
11:47Julie Seconded.
11:48Meron pa kayong naisabihin?
11:51Yun lang po,
11:52Your Honor.
11:53Yun lang po yung silalay sa aking explanation.
11:56Sa totoo lang po,
11:57Your Honor,
11:58pinahiram lang po namin yung,
12:00ano,
12:00yung,
12:02yung aming consigne po,
12:04kay Sir Vicente.
12:06Yun po,
12:07before nakikita-kita ko na sa,
12:08ano,
12:09sa peer,
12:10pero,
12:10hindi naman po kami totoong magkakilala.
12:13Then,
12:13one,
12:14ang mga April po,
12:16lumapit po siya sa akin,
12:17nagtanong po siya,
12:19kung may alam po ako.
12:21So,
12:21yun lang po ang sinabi ko sa kanya,
12:23basta,
12:24basta ka ako,
12:24Sir,
12:25wala tong illegal ha.
12:26Umupo naman po siya sa akin.
12:27Mr. Chair,
12:37nagtatry po sana ako na pumunta sa peer,
12:41pero,
12:42medyo masama po lagi yung pakiramdam ko.
12:44So,
12:45hindi naman din po ako titigil,
12:46Mr. Chair.
12:49Ilan po talaga.
12:51Saan lang po kami,
12:53sa royalty lang po kami,
12:54Mr. Chair.
12:55Wala po kaming alam sa ganyan.
12:56Mr. Chair?
12:58Yes,
12:58Senator Jim.
13:00Ma'am Brenda,
13:01tsaka si Mr. Tesoro,
13:03ayaw namin na kayo po ay makontem.
13:06Nalulungkot din kami.
13:08Lalo na sinabi ni Mr. Tesoro,
13:10na yung nanay mo ay nag-aalala.
13:12Kaya lang,
13:13sana binagbibigya kayo ng committee ito
13:15na sabihin ng katotohanan
13:16dahil,
13:17alam nyo sa inyong ginagawang modus,
13:20marami pong apektado rito.
13:22Kung agrikultura po natin na pinapatay.
13:25Sa inyo pong,
13:25mga transaksyon,
13:28akala nyo,
13:30pumapasok lang yun,
13:31labas,
13:31pero ang dami pong
13:32apektado po rito,
13:34ang buong sektor ng agrikultura.
13:35Kaya nga,
13:37sana po,
13:37pag kayo na,
13:38ngayon po ay nasa kustudiya,
13:40makapag-isip-isip kayo
13:41kung meron kayo makilala,
13:43nakapwa nyo broker,
13:44nakilala po si Carlos
13:45at si Vicente,
13:47sige,
13:48baka pwede nyo pong sabihin
13:49para matigil na ito.
13:51Total modus na rin ito eh,
13:53nangyari,
13:53pinahiram nyo yung lisensya nyo,
13:55eh makakasama nyo doon,
13:56yung mga nagpahiram din
13:57ng lisensya.
13:59Usong-uso,
14:00nagpapahiram,
14:00delikado po yan,
14:01milyon-milyon
14:02ang transaksyon,
14:04tapos hindi nyo kilala.
14:0559 million
14:06ang halaga.
14:08So, totoo lang po,
14:11Mr. Chair?
14:12Alam nyo ba yung,
14:13alam nyo ba yung,
14:16kayong dalawa,
14:17Mr. Tenero,
14:20Ms. Sagun,
14:22alam nyo ba yung
14:23multa dito sa
14:25economic
14:27sabotage,
14:28agriculture,
14:29anti-agriculture,
14:30alam nyo ba?
14:31Life imprisonment.
14:32Ganun ka-seryoso.
14:36Kaya kung hindi nyo,
14:38hindi kayo magko-cooperate,
14:41na alamin ang katotohanan
14:43at sabihin ang totoo,
14:45ang kapalit pa rin nito
14:46ay kayo ay makukulong
14:47ng panghabang buhay.
14:51Ngayon,
14:51kung kayo ay
14:52magsasabi ng totoo,
14:53maaari kayong gawing
14:54state witness.
14:56At pag kayo ay
14:57state witness,
14:59magiging immune kayo.
15:02At sana naunawaan ninyo,
15:04ayaw namin
15:05kayong ikulong.
15:07Pero ayaw din namin
15:08may nagsisinungaling
15:11dito sa
15:11committing ito.
15:17Yes pa.
15:18At,
15:19higit sa lahat,
15:22ayaw namin
15:23kayong ikulong
15:23dahil alam namin
15:24kinasangkapan lang kayo.
15:27Wala namang kayong
15:28kakayahang gumastos
15:29ng 60 million.
15:31Gusto namin malaman
15:32sino yung gumastos
15:33ng 60 million
15:34na ginamit kayo
15:36para
15:37pumasok
15:38ng smuggled
15:39ng mga produkto.
15:42Sino yung
15:42merong 60 million
15:44halaga
15:44na kayang
15:47ipasok
15:48na walang
15:50import permit.
15:53In the case of
15:55Wala,
15:55it's 130 million.
15:57Mr.
15:58Pascual.
15:59Okay, go ahead.
16:00Anything else?
16:02Meron pa kayo
16:03nais banggitin?
16:05Wala na po?
16:06Mr. Chair.
16:07Okay, so
16:08there is a motion
16:10to cite
16:11Ms. Brenda
16:13Disagun
16:13in contempt,
16:14seconded.
16:16You are hereby
16:17cited in contempt
16:18of the Senate
16:18and you are
16:21to be
16:22detained
16:25in the Senate
16:26premises.
16:27Okay,
16:32you are hereby
16:33and you are hereby
16:34and you will see
16:34in the Senate
16:35as you say to
16:35KDR
16:49in the Senate
16:49to keep
16:49in the Senate
16:50in the Senate
16:51so
16:52as you say to
16:53you are hereby
16:54and you are hereby
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