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- Senator Humayun Mohmand PTI
- Rana Ihsaan Afzal Khan PMLN
- Senator Kamran Murtaza JUIF
Ali Amin Gandapur relieved as President PTI KP - Aniqa Nisar's Report
Imran removes Gandapur from provincial presidency of PTI -Humayun Mohmand, Kamran Murtaza's Reaction
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- Senator Humayun Mohmand PTI
- Rana Ihsaan Afzal Khan PMLN
- Senator Kamran Murtaza JUIF
Ali Amin Gandapur relieved as President PTI KP - Aniqa Nisar's Report
Imran removes Gandapur from provincial presidency of PTI -Humayun Mohmand, Kamran Murtaza's Reaction
Muzakrat Mein Nakami Ki Waja PTI Ya Govt? - PMLN Leader's Big Statement
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00:00Bismillah-e-Rahman-e-Rahim, Programme-e-Taraaz-e-Ahmadiyya, I am Anika Nisar, Viewers, on one hand,
00:15things are changing very fast in KPK, on one hand, Junaid Akbar Sahib has come in front,
00:20first of all, PSE's servers have been set up without competition, but along with that,
00:26he is going to be notified, as KPK's Prime Minister, that Pakistan has done justice to Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:30Now, Alimin Gandapur Sahib has a relationship with the opposing group,
00:34he has a relationship with the group that belongs to Atif Khan Sahib.
00:37These are the same people who, some time ago, had said that Alimin Gandapur Sahib's government
00:43is being corrupted under him.
00:45And after that, if you remember, the Teen Rukni Commission was formed,
00:47and in Teen Rukni Commission, there was also Shah Farman Sahib,
00:50and he, on the other hand, put all the blame on Shakeel Sahib, who was the Minister at that time.
00:55On one hand, the situation is changing for Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:59On the other hand, I will tell you what the other groups are saying about Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf's KPK government.
01:07But before that, about the negotiations.
01:10There were a lot of questions about whether the negotiations ended on the 23rd or not.
01:14In my program, I asked Salman Akram Sahib, I asked Asad Qaisar Sahib,
01:18I asked some other leaders, everyone said that instead of the 23rd,
01:21it is possible that the negotiations will continue for a day or two,
01:24because we are talking about 7 working days.
01:26Then the 23rd comes, and on the 23rd, the negotiations are terminated by Imran Khan Sahib.
01:30Now, a new ray of hope has arisen.
01:35I will tell you why the ray of hope has arisen.
01:37First, Barrister Gauhar Sahib doubted the intention of the government,
01:40that the government never had the intention to negotiate in a straightforward manner.
01:44Now, the government is also questioning the intention of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
01:47But, Gauhar Sahib said that the government still has time.
01:52Listen to this.
02:18Now, this matter is over.
02:19But, the government still has time.
02:21If they want, they can announce it now.
02:23Now, Barrister Gauhar has said that the government still has time.
02:28This is the same thing that if the judicial commission is made, then the matter will be different.
02:32Rana Sanaw Allah Sahib said in my program yesterday that
02:34if the judicial commission is made as the head of the government's will,
02:41then Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf will be ready to make this judicial commission.
02:45Now, at this time, the same Imran Khan Sahib who said on 23rd that all the negotiations have been terminated,
02:50now he has said that on 28th,
02:53the date on which the date of the next fourth meeting has come from the speaker's office,
02:58before that, the negotiation team should meet me.
03:02After that, let's see what will happen next.
03:05Imran Khan Sahib has said that the negotiation committee should meet me before 28th.
03:09At that time, we will assess the situation and what we have to do next.
03:14Now, on these negotiations, some elements were being questioned in PML-N earlier.
03:19Hanif Abbasi Sahib said in my program that Khawaja Asif Sahib also had doubts regarding this.
03:24Now, these doubts were there, but another person was repeatedly expressing doubts regarding this,
03:30and that is Governor KP.
03:32Once again, he reiterated this point in this regard.
03:36What did he say before the negotiations?
03:38That I think this is all a drama.
03:39PTI does not want these negotiations.
03:41They only want NRO.
03:42NRO is not going to be met.
03:43Here, CM Maulana Fazlur Rahman is abusing,
03:45Chairman PTI is bowing at Maulana's feet.
03:47First, leave your two colours,
03:49become one colour and then talk.
03:51Now, on one hand, this matter is going on,
03:53and he is talking about KPK Governor.
03:54He also used to say that the security issues in KPK are so bad,
03:59and all the emphasis is on KPK Government's politics.
04:03Maulana Sahib is also saying something like this,
04:05that KPK's conditions are very bad,
04:07and in these conditions, the government's failure is visible.
04:11There is no peace in our province.
04:13There is no government here.
04:14Corruption is happening everywhere.
04:16Why has our province been put in such a difficult situation?
04:19Everything is happening in an incomprehensible way.
04:21In fact, our province is being pushed towards these problems.
04:24Not just the tribal areas,
04:26but our dear Ismail Khan, Lakhimur Wad, Kabbanu, Karak,
04:30all these areas are in the midst of insecurity.
04:33Should we keep agreeing on this one sentence?
04:36We are against armed forces.
04:38A delegation is being formed.
04:40There are political parties and personalities sitting on the throne.
04:42Contact them.
04:43We will call another delegation,
04:45and then we will decide the next step through them.
04:49Now, the same KPK, where the conditions are very bad.
04:52The government of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has been in KPK for almost 12 years.
04:55There are some changes happening there.
04:57There is a warning bell ringing for Ali Amin Gandapur's group.
05:02Because on one hand,
05:04the news of Bushra Bibi and Ali Amin Gandapur's mutual tension has been circulating for a long time.
05:10On the other hand,
05:11Junaid Akbar's presence on that seat,
05:14where Ali Amin Gandapur was present at one time,
05:17despite being the CM,
05:18his presence is also a question mark.
05:21Let's listen to what Salman Akhtar Murad has to say.
05:24In Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, our Prime Minister,
05:26Ali Amin Gandapur,
05:28is fulfilling a lot of responsibilities,
05:30and in a good way.
05:31On his request,
05:32today, Imran Khan has decided
05:34that Junaid Akbar will be the President of PTI Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
05:38This notification, God willing, will be made very soon.
05:41For Punjab and for the whole of Pakistan,
05:44the work of organizing is extremely important.
05:47For this work, Khan has recommended Ali Amin Gandapur.
05:52Now, you can see Atif Khan standing right next to Salman Akhtar Murad.
05:57Junaid Akbar belongs to his group.
06:00So, what kind of tug of war is going on?
06:02That is also a question.
06:03And the situation of KPK is not being ignored in this situation.
06:07Are there more dangers and threats for Ali Amin Gandapur?
06:11We will talk about these questions.
06:12Senator Humayun Mohammad is with us.
06:13He is the Head of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
06:15Senator, thank you very much for joining me in the program.
06:17Senator Kamran Murtaz is with us.
06:19He is the Head of JUI.
06:20Thank you very much, Senator.
06:21You have also joined us.
06:22Rana Ahsan Afzal is with us.
06:23He is the Coordinator to Prime Minister.
06:25He is the Head of PMLN.
06:26Thank you very much, Senator.
06:27You have also joined us.
06:28First of all, Senator Humayun, let us start with you.
06:31These changes in KPK are giving a very clear look that
06:38Ali Amin Gandapur is either unhappy or there is some issue.
06:43That seat, which was the seat of the Prime Minister,
06:47Junaid Akbar has been given to the group
06:50which has been talking against Ali Amin Gandapur.
06:53What is going on?
06:55In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
06:58I am surprised that he has come so late.
07:01The general stance of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
07:05which was there before in 2013,
07:08when Parvez Khattak was elected as the General Secretary in the intraparty election,
07:15and when he became the Chief Minister,
07:17six or seven months later, he was told to leave that position.
07:26He resigned and Imran Khan nominated Jahangir Tareen.
07:34It was discussed in the CEC.
07:36A few people opposed it.
07:38Most people voted for Imran Khan.
07:42He became the General Secretary.
07:46In my opinion, if you hold a government position,
07:53you should not hold a party position.
07:56That is as simple as it gets.
07:59But the issue is that there was a resignation.
08:02Ali Amin Gandapur was told that there was no resignation.
08:05He was put aside.
08:07No, there was no resignation.
08:09He was told that he was given to a group that opposed him.
08:12This is not about the group.
08:15To the best of my knowledge, it is not.
08:18It is possible that if it was about the group,
08:23they would have made Atif directly.
08:27It would have been very evident.
08:29But Atif and Akbar are the same.
08:32No, it is never the same.
08:34All of them are from Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
08:38We may have a difference of opinion with each other,
08:42but at the end of the day, we are together.
08:45In a political party,
08:47if I am a political worker,
08:52I want to become an MPA, MNA, or a Senator.
08:56If I become one of them,
08:58I try to go to the next level.
09:01This is my place.
09:02Your competition is with the people of your party.
09:07For example, in every political party,
09:10there is always a clash.
09:13Take Javed Latif for example.
09:15He used to say that he was famous.
09:17But the division is evident.
09:19Yes, it is evident.
09:21But that does not mean that there will be clashes.
09:25These things happen everywhere.
09:27You have heard Khurram Dastgir say that
09:30he has not met him for a year.
09:32No, he met him later.
09:34But these things keep happening.
09:38I think it is a very good move.
09:43Why is it a good move?
09:45Considering that at one time,
09:47this group accused Ali Amin of corruption,
09:49and then made a team and a commission.
09:52I will tell you the reason.
09:54If I am the Chief Minister,
09:56there are so many things on my plate.
09:58I am not able to give time to the party.
10:01It is very important to give time to your party.
10:05It is very important to solve the problems of the party.
10:09When you solve the problems of the party,
10:11a lot of things will be smoothed out.
10:13This is an important point.
10:15You are saying that he was not able to give importance to the party.
10:17In the eyes of Maulana,
10:19the government was not able to give importance to the government.
10:21You both get stuck.
10:23Senator Kamran Murtaza,
10:25do you think that Maulana has made a special complaint today
10:28that the conditions of KPK have deteriorated so much
10:31that it seems that these conditions are being taken on purpose?
10:35Senator Humayun Mohammad has said that
10:37he was divided between the party and the government.
10:41After this decision,
10:43do you think that the conditions of KPK will improve?
10:51No.
10:52You cannot travel at this time.
10:54In most of the cases of KPK.
10:58If I want to go to Quetta,
11:00I will not be able to travel at this time.
11:02I will be a very brave person
11:04if I travel with a lot of escorts.
11:07Otherwise,
11:09you understand that
11:11practically,
11:13land contact is prohibited at this time of the night.
11:17morning of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Luchistan.
11:21When you go beyond D.I. Khan,
11:25you will not be able to go to Yoke.
11:28This is the shortest possible route for us
11:31to go to Quetta by road.
11:33We cannot go at this time.
11:35We take the alternative of Lorlai,
11:37but that is also disturbed.
11:39If we go to Sukkur and from there to Sibi,
11:42then it becomes a two-day journey.
11:45For us, it was a one-day journey,
11:47so it takes us twice as long.
11:49So, we will not be able to go.
11:52Khyber Pakhtunkhwa is completely disturbed.
11:55There is no governance there.
11:57There is a lot of Islam.
11:59Similarly, the situation in Balochistan.
12:01You cannot travel in Balochistan
12:03especially at night.
12:05The situation is very bad.
12:07But why is Maulana Sahib saying
12:09that this is being done on purpose?
12:11Which chief minister would like
12:13to see the condition of his province
12:15and the people of his province?
12:18Which chief minister would like
12:20to see the condition of his province
12:22so bad that he himself cannot travel in the evening?
12:29If the focus is somewhere here and there,
12:32then the situation gets worse.
12:34I have not only mentioned Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
12:37but I have also mentioned Balochistan.
12:40The CM of Balochistan is my friend.
12:43But apart from that,
12:45I have a senator with me.
12:47He is my friend.
12:49He is my client.
12:51He is my father's friend.
12:53But whether they want it or not,
12:55the situation is not good.
12:57When you cannot control the forces
12:59that oppose loyalty
13:01or do not want peace,
13:03then such situations arise.
13:05If your focus is not there,
13:07then the situation is not good.
13:09In the morning, it is Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
13:11and in the morning it is Balochistan.
13:13Now, the political strategies
13:15on which Ali Amin Gandapur
13:17was being accused,
13:19that he is so involved in politics,
13:21he is always concerned about
13:23how to rise in Islamabad,
13:25that he is not able to see the KPK matters.
13:27Now, the change of PTI,
13:29do you still think that
13:31nothing will change after this,
13:33Senator Kamran?
13:37Administration is a different matter.
13:39Administration,
13:41suppose,
13:43I can be a good lawyer,
13:45but I cannot be a good administrator.
13:47I can be a good administrator,
13:49but I cannot be a good lawyer.
13:51I cannot be a good doctor.
13:53So, Allah has created some
13:55qualities in a person.
13:57So, this administration
13:59will never be correct in this era.
14:01I don't think it will ever be.
14:03And the situation in which
14:05we have reached,
14:07there is an expectation of further destruction.
14:09But I don't think
14:11they will be able to correct it.
14:13Ok, so you are saying
14:15that it won't be right in this era.
14:17I will take the answer from Senator Humayun Mohammad.
14:19But before that, Rana,
14:21tell me, that there is a certain
14:23responsibility of loyalty.
14:25If the KPK's situation is getting worse,
14:27and the negotiations are going on
14:29with your PTI,
14:31and on the other hand,
14:33the security situation is bad,
14:35then is there any language
14:37that is being used,
14:39or somehow the other,
14:41a word war is going on
14:43between your party and PTI.
14:45Doesn't that directly impact
14:47the relationships of KPK and Wafaq?
14:49In the name of Allah,
14:51Look, as far as
14:53the responsibility of loyalty is concerned,
14:55it is not possible that in the era
14:57of Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif,
14:59loyalty to any province,
15:01the responsibility of loyalty to any province,
15:03there is a lack of it.
15:05He is beyond politics
15:07when it comes to
15:09the affairs of the whole country.
15:11In that, there is zero compromise.
15:13Wherever KPK has felt the need
15:15for the support of loyalty,
15:17that support has come there,
15:19and there is no lack of it.
15:21As far as the negotiations are concerned,
15:23look, even in the negotiations,
15:25the government did not walk out.
15:27PTI walked out.
15:29And it is very surprising
15:31that when the government
15:33was going to tell the affairs
15:35of KPK on 28 January,
15:37that what is the way forward,
15:39it walked out before that.
15:41So, look, two or three things
15:43are very clear, and the changes
15:45that have come in KPK,
15:47this also proves that
15:49the goal was not achieved,
15:51and now the change of guard
15:53is taking place to some extent.
15:55What was the goal?
15:57His entire campaign
15:59of the last 8-9 months
16:01He has not written
16:03in the written demands.
16:05No, he has not written.
16:07I am coming to that.
16:09He has not written in the written demands,
16:11but the entire effort in America
16:13is on Free Imran Khan.
16:15The effort on 24 November
16:17was also on Free Imran Khan.
16:19And you see that
16:21when Free Imran Khan flopped
16:23in Al-Qadir Trust,
16:25when he was punished in 14 years,
16:27then the thing on which
16:29he had given charter of demand,
16:31before listening to his answer,
16:33these people walked out.
16:35And I think the expectation
16:37of Imran Khan was not fulfilled.
16:39Let's come to that expectation.
16:41Mr. Imran, but I have
16:43one more question.
16:45Mr. Kamran Murthy has said that
16:47at least in this era,
16:49the conditions are not looking good
16:51for KPK. In this era,
16:53the era of PTI is in KPK,
16:55your era is in Wafaq.
16:57In this era,
16:59what should be done to
17:01improve the situation?
17:03Look, it is not about this era.
17:0511-12 years,
17:07with continuity, non-stop,
17:09if a community
17:11gets power,
17:13and the goal of that community
17:15is obviously the devolved subject,
17:17in which there is law and order,
17:19in which there is health,
17:21in which there is education,
17:23in which there is road infrastructure,
17:25these are all issues.
17:27And you see,
17:29what we saw in Khurram,
17:31that is a massive misgovernance.
17:33That is a loss of focus.
17:35And look, no matter how much
17:37Wafaq plays its role,
17:39at the end of the day, the devolved subjects
17:41are the responsibility of the province,
17:43not the SOFI.
17:45The province has the means
17:47to solve it.
17:49Wafaq is there. When they will be called,
17:51they will do it. But this government
17:53has not delivered.
17:55If you talk about corruption,
17:57this government means your government,
17:59this government means KPK's government.
18:01I am talking about KPK.
18:03In Wafaq, we came and went,
18:05PTI came,
18:07but they have been in power
18:09with continuity for 12 years.
18:11So, there should not be delivery,
18:13no-go areas should be made.
18:15And then you should not pay attention
18:17to governance.
18:19This is absolutely clear.
18:21Senator Humayun Mohammad sahib,
18:23I cannot believe it.
18:25You almost became a JUI.
18:27They also do not believe
18:29that things will get better in your time.
18:31Because your focus is on politics.
18:33Wafaq is also saying
18:35that your focus is on politics.
18:37Nothing is going to get better.
18:39So, it is a losing ground for you.
18:41KPK's people voted for you
18:43and you are not able to see their security.
18:45They are not able to leave in the evening.
18:47Look,
18:49when I was listening
18:51to Maulana's speech,
18:53I was feeling
18:55that he was
18:57talking about
18:59some role
19:01of some federal agencies.
19:03You can continue.
19:05No, you can continue.
19:07I am saying this
19:09because of the security situation.
19:11You can continue.
19:13You can listen to it.
19:15I have already listened to it.
19:17Let me tell you
19:19one thing.
19:21It is true that
19:23law and order
19:25are of two types.
19:27One is like
19:29dacoit, thief, etc.
19:31One is
19:33terrorism.
19:35Terrorism means
19:37organized
19:39groups
19:41that do terrorism.
19:43Like Taliban, Pakistan
19:45and so on.
19:47What Kamran Murtaza
19:49is talking about
19:51and what I am talking about
19:53is KPK and Balochistan.
19:55The biggest problem is
19:57because of those groups.
19:59Those who are not going
20:01at night are not
20:03local dacoits.
20:05These are organized people
20:07who are doing terrorism.
20:09For this reason,
20:11Pakistan has made
20:13a big mistake.
20:15I am not saying that
20:17there is no provincial role.
20:19There is definitely a role of
20:21Pakistan.
20:23My eyes and ears are
20:25those agencies.
20:27You have your own police department.
20:29I don't know the details
20:31of the police department.
20:33But I think
20:35you have a police department.
20:37That is security.
20:39Other agencies
20:41are doing everything
20:43through them.
20:45Because
20:47the federal level
20:49agencies are highly
20:51trained.
20:53You are saying that
20:55there should be more cooperation.
20:57I think
20:59it is a joint failure of Pakistan
21:01to address these two provinces.
21:03It is a joint
21:05failure of the whole
21:07Pakistani administration.
21:09It may be provincial
21:11or it may be federal.
21:13Unfortunately,
21:15as politicians
21:17and as an institution,
21:19we are failing
21:21to address
21:23our own people.
21:25If we
21:27instead of internal
21:29fights, focus on these things
21:31and do coordinated
21:33effects, I think we will be much better.
21:35100 bismillah, Senator.
21:37Please leave your fights.
21:39Leave the fight of 28-27.
21:41Leave the fight of the judicial commission.
21:43I am just leaving the questions.
21:45I will come to the break and
21:47then I will answer you.
21:49Please coordinate.
21:51In this era of PTI,
21:53where the focus is on politics,
21:55the situation is bad.
21:57I am leaving this question for you.
21:59I have to go to the break.
22:01I will ask Senator Kamran Murtaza
22:03where he was pointing.
22:05I will ask Senator Humayun Mohammad
22:07and Rana.
22:09See you after the break.
22:11Welcome back after the break.
22:13I had left the security question.
22:15Senator Humayun Mohammad,
22:17please answer it.
22:19Then I will go to Kamran Murtaza
22:21and Rana.
22:23Second,
22:25the issue of 28-28,
22:27are you going to resume the negotiations?
22:29In terms of security,
22:31let me tell you,
22:33you will come to know that
22:35when the assemblies were dissolved
22:37in KP,
22:39after that the caretaker government
22:41came, the situation started to get worse.
22:43Are you blaming Maulana's Jamaat?
22:45I am not talking about Maulana's Jamaat.
22:47I am telling you again,
22:49it is a combined failure
22:51of all the political parties
22:53including
22:55our agencies.
22:57All of us are failing together.
22:59We are failing as Pakistan.
23:01We have to end divisions.
23:03How can we end divisions?
23:05I will come to that.
23:07This is a joke.
23:09On the day when we
23:11gave our consent
23:13in the third meeting,
23:15you must have seen a press conference
23:17where Irfan Siddiqui was sitting in the middle,
23:19Rana Sanaullah was sitting on one side
23:21and Atta Tarar was sitting
23:23on the other side.
23:25Those people
23:27were saying
23:29that these things
23:31cannot happen.
23:33It is one of the impossibilities.
23:35Now when we will hear
23:37such things,
23:39tell me one thing,
23:41when I am negotiating with you
23:43and when I give you something in writing,
23:45you come to a press conference
23:47on the same day and say
23:49that this cannot happen.
23:51Why should I even talk to you after that?
23:53But the external affairs
23:55should not have an impact
23:57It is just a question.
23:59If Rana Sanaullah, as an individual,
24:01sits somewhere else in your program
24:03and does it alone,
24:05he will also have a weight,
24:07but I will ignore him.
24:09But if he is sitting
24:11with the person
24:13who is the main
24:15character
24:17of this committee
24:19and he is doing it with him,
24:21then I will get some question marks.
24:23Then there should have been a discussion
24:25and it should have been
24:27discussed in the meeting of the
24:29Negotiating Committee.
24:31No, you do a lot of things.
24:33Sometimes it also happens that
24:35you try to do a water test
24:37that if I throw feelers,
24:39it happens in politics.
24:41When they said that
24:43we will do this,
24:45we clearly said that
24:47if you do this,
24:49we are not interested.
24:51I don't know
24:53because today
24:55they said a good thing
24:57that we never said
24:59that we will not make it.
25:01We will think about it.
25:03You think about it,
25:05tell us.
25:07Like Barrister Gohar said
25:09that if you tell us today,
25:11we are open for that thing.
25:13But if you say that the doors are closed,
25:15I don't need to knock there.
25:17I would like to go to a place.
25:19So you are saying that now
25:21Is that what you are saying?
25:23Pakistan Tariq-e-Ansaaf
25:25made all their main demands
25:27which they have been saying
25:29for a long time.
25:31Number one,
25:33you have stolen our mandate,
25:35return it.
25:37Number two,
25:39you don't have the moral authority
25:41to make a government.
25:43But we have moved away from both of them.
25:45You have to decide
25:47whether the negotiations will start
25:49or not.
25:51It's a matter of government.
25:53You are saying that the ball is in their court.
25:55There are not so many powers
25:57that they can do what they say.
25:59They say that we will let you
26:01meet as many people as you want.
26:03They don't even let you meet.
26:05Either they are lying
26:07or they don't have the authority.
26:09Mr. Rana,
26:11you are always accused
26:13that you don't have the authority
26:15and you need permission
26:17to meet people.
26:19Then why do you promise
26:21that you will let us meet
26:23and then you can't?
26:25Secondly,
26:27Mr. Khan is still asking
26:29to meet before 28th.
26:31Let's see what happens next.
26:33Is the government ready
26:35to make a judicial commission?
26:37Are they ready to see
26:39the TOR that they have given?
26:41They used to say
26:43that they don't have the authority
26:45to meet people.
26:47Then why did they come
26:49to the negotiations?
26:51When they said that
26:53they will come to the negotiations,
26:55Mr. Khan said that
26:57the negotiations are over
26:59and if we make a judicial commission
27:01then they will also
27:03review it.
27:05Now they are saying
27:07that if they let us meet
27:09on 28th,
27:11then we will meet.
27:13Mr. Rana, do you want
27:15the negotiations to continue or not?
27:17We have given
27:19a very specific answer.
27:21There is no confusion in our answer.
27:23I am asking you to reiterate
27:25whether you want the negotiations to continue or not.
27:27I am giving you
27:29a very specific answer.
27:31We had said that on 28th January
27:33we will give you
27:35a limited way forward
27:37on the judicial commission
27:39and your other demand.
27:41Mr. Rana,
27:43do you want the negotiations to continue
27:45or not?
27:47Earlier you said that
27:49you will not meet on 28th,
27:51now you are saying that
27:53you will meet on 28th.
27:55If they are saying that,
27:57then take it as an olive branch
27:59and start the negotiations again.
28:01Yes, they can come
28:03to the 4th session
28:05and we will give them
28:07the written decision
28:09Why will it happen
28:11when we are giving you
28:13a written decision?
28:15There is no confusion in it.
28:17When we said in written form
28:19that we will give you
28:21the answer, then there is
28:23absolutely no confusion.
28:25The walkout that you are doing
28:27and the changes that are coming
28:29in your statements,
28:31the confusion is at their end.
28:33Why did the PMLN leaders
28:35hold a press conference
28:38Listen to me,
28:40if you want to make an excuse
28:42then there is no logic in it.
28:44Don't give excuses, Mr. Rana.
28:46No, no, no.
28:48They did 200 such things
28:50on the basis of which
28:52we can end the negotiations.
28:54We talked about the tweets,
28:56their statements,
28:58that they did a press conference
29:00and they said this.
29:02I will repeat it again.
29:04When we gave you a date
29:06to walk out,
29:08this question becomes an issue.
29:10You can do whatever you want.
29:12If you can conclude this logically,
29:14when the government
29:16gives you a date,
29:18the outcome comes
29:20and then you walk out.
29:22This is your issue, not ours.
29:24It still stands.
29:26You are throwing that ball
29:28in your court,
29:30they are throwing it in their court.
29:32Senator Kamran Murtaza
29:34Mr. Kamran Murtaza,
29:36they say it is your turn,
29:38they say it is your turn,
29:40this is a game for the kids.
29:42Mr. Kamran Murtaza,
29:44Maulana sahib,
29:46your Jamaat is one
29:48which is in contact with both.
29:50Dialogue should resume.
29:52It should be politically resolved.
29:54Will Maulana sahib play a role?
29:56Maulana sahib would have played
29:58a role when someone told him.
30:00No one said,
30:02no one wanted Maulana sahib
30:04to play a role.
30:06Anyway,
30:08I am not talking
30:10as a party representative,
30:12I am talking as Kamran.
30:14I think this dialogue
30:16is just a show here.
30:20If this matter
30:22has to be settled
30:24or has happened
30:26or will happen,
30:28it will happen somewhere else.
30:30They do not have the capacity
30:32to meet us.
30:34But the confusion is
30:36that they still sit with them.
30:38When they know
30:40how capable they are
30:42that they cannot even
30:44meet us,
30:46then why do they sit with them?
30:48Mr. Kamran,
30:50are you trying to say
30:52that they also want to sit there
30:54but they do not let them sit
30:56and that is why they are
30:58sitting with them?
31:00See, there are some things
31:02that are not being answered.
31:04The prudent mind is not
31:06able to understand
31:08what is the real thing.
31:10On the one hand,
31:12it is being said that
31:14they also do not have the capacity
31:16to meet us,
31:18but they still sit there.
31:20On the other hand,
31:22why should they sit
31:24with them?
31:26All this cannot happen
31:28at the same time.
31:30Sitting here is
31:32obvious,
31:34but today there is
31:36a development
31:38in the Public Accounts Committee.
31:40They proposed it
31:42themselves.
31:44All the work was done by themselves.
31:46Mr. Gauhar,
31:48you did not find it difficult
31:50as much as it was difficult
31:52a few days ago.
31:54There was no condition
31:56to start negotiations.
31:58Negotiations can be done
32:00or not.
32:02The eyes that are showing
32:04to someone,
32:06are also being shown
32:08to someone else.
32:10They are not being shown here.
32:12Mr. Sen, you have made
32:14a point that the eyes of PTI
32:16are being shown to someone else
32:18because according to them,
32:20the government does not have
32:22a plan to join the
32:24Grand Opposition Alliance.
32:26Do you have a plan
32:28to join it or not?
32:36No one can make a decision
32:38sitting here.
32:40Even if you ask them,
32:42they will not be able
32:44to respond at this time.
32:46I did not understand.
32:48Did you think about it?
32:50No.
32:52Moulana was in Peshawar
32:54for a week
32:56and then in D.A. Khan.
32:58He has been in the middle
33:00for a week.
33:02When he comes,
33:04he will call for a meeting
33:06of his institutions.
33:08He will ask them
33:10and then decide.
33:12It is not possible.
33:14There is no proposal yet.
33:16I don't think there is a serious
33:18proposal yet.
33:24Got your point.
33:26Mr. Sen,
33:28please stop
33:30pointing fingers.
33:32Even Mr. Kamran Murtaza
33:34has said that the eyes
33:36are being shown to the government
33:38because you are pointing
33:40to someone else.
33:42Please say it openly
33:44that you do not want
33:46to talk to the government
33:48because they do not have
33:50the power.
33:52But,
33:54when a person
33:56repeatedly says
33:58that he is in power
34:00and you should
34:02bluff him
34:04or give him a chance.
34:06You started this
34:08to insult the government.
34:10Who am I to insult
34:12the one whom
34:14I love.
34:16Your economy has not grown
34:18even 1% in the last 7 months.
34:20It is less than 1%.
34:22You were saying
34:24that it will grow 3.5%
34:26in this one year.
34:28It did not.
34:30Your Economic Intelligence
34:32Unit has downgraded
34:34Pakistan.
34:36In Democratic Index,
34:38it is now
34:40authoritarian.
34:42It is now an authoritarian regime.
34:44It is not
34:46a political regime.
34:48That is not my topic today.
34:50You started this
34:52to insult the government.
34:54I think that
34:56Pakistan needs
34:58a grand dialogue.
35:00Pakistan needs
35:02a political dialogue.
35:04In my opinion,
35:06all the political
35:08parties,
35:10inclusive of the
35:12establishment.
35:14Whether we believe it or not,
35:16the establishment has
35:18played a significant
35:20role in politics
35:22in the last
35:24so many decades.
35:40This desire has come again.
35:42We thought it was left behind.
35:44The recent meeting
35:46in which
35:48Mr. Khan's happiness
35:50was not being handled.
35:52The happiness of PTI was not being handled.
35:54But Al-Qaeda was punished.
35:56The lentils they
35:58wanted to cook,
36:00which they tried to cook
36:02all over the world, were not cooked.
36:04We will come to know about it later.
36:06We will come to know about it later.
36:08They have one agenda.
36:10They have one agenda.
36:12It is not a national agenda.
36:16We will talk about the agenda
36:18but thank you very much Hassan,
36:20Kamran, Humayun.
36:22We will talk about another agenda
36:24that is Gaza.
36:26The situation there is still bad
36:28in spite of a ceasefire.
36:30Welcome back after the break.
36:32There has been a ceasefire in Gaza
36:34and it was promised by Israel
36:36and on the other hand, there are refugees.
36:40Today, in a military uniform, Hamas has released some of the prisoners, who were being called
36:49Yargamali, who were arrested by Hamas on 15 January 2025.
36:55The agreement between Israel and Hamas for the exchange of prisoners was accepted,
37:02and after that, this destruction started.
37:04Some of the people of Palestine are released, and a few of the people of Israel are released.
37:11With the intervention of the US, Egypt and Qatar, the agreement was made.
37:15Under the agreement, Israel will completely evacuate Gaza, and both will release each other's prisoners.
37:21In the next 3 to 5 years, Gaza will be settled again.
37:27Now, let's see if that happens or not.
37:29But today, a very interesting thing has happened.
37:31Hamas released 3 Israeli Yargamali and handed them over to the Red Cross.
37:36In return, Israel released 90 Palestinian prisoners.
37:40All 3 Israeli prisoners are women, and all 3 were part of the army.